Made On The PC, Should Be On The PC

[XtReAmTwEaKist]

Ok here's the deal ALL games are made on the PC right...... i think everyone should agree with me when i say games that are made on the PC first; cause thats where it originated, shoud come on the PC first in stead of their designated console such as XBox, Gamecube, PS2.....ect. cause a PC is technically more powerful then a console, take a console and a PC, remember when DOS was out and games ran at blazin speeds, barly no loading screens, well a console is like that. They dont have to do multitasking or the same stuff as us ordinary people do on a PC, then you have a PC, OS, Memory HD, the works right you do prolly about 14-15 tasks in the background, thats besides what you're already doing ex: surfing the internet reading this thread, checking e-mail, playing well GAMES! But when games first come out they go straight for the console F the PC, the developer says, jus so they can make us go buy a console, JUS TO PLAY THE GAME WHICH WOULD LOOK 10X BETTER ON PC! like look at the framerate the old sega got with sonic the hedgehog, 60fps, on a 52kb v-ram, play sonic on a 800mhz machine with 32mb v-ram yull be luky to hit 40fps cause of the example above and plus i think it would have more rendering and better graphics.....

What im saying is...

What do you people think about this
is it wrong for deveolpers to shoot
games directly to, their dedicated console,
or should they come on pc first?
opinions are welcome

TwEaKist

[KraZy_SkitZy]

I have to agree
But if the games are always put on PC, there's be little money in the console market, why buy different consoles when you can get a kickass computer that plays all the games?

But it would be nice if they would all come out on PC, Like FFX

[XtReAmTwEaKist]

thats good less money for the console dept. i dont own a console, the last console i've owned was a PS1 COUGH SUCK ***!
then computers NICE BIG SHINEY COMPUTER looked 10000x better and faster i think my computer can outperform the consoles thats my opinion

[KraZy_SkitZy]

Originally posted by XtReAmTwEaKist
thats good less money for the console dept. i dont own a console, the last console i've owned was a PS1 COUGH SUCK ***!
then computers NICE BIG SHINEY COMPUTER looked 10000x better and faster i think my computer can outperform the consoles thats my opinion

Ya games do look better, the thing that gives a console its edge is the low resolution it plays at, hook yur comp up to the tv and play a game at different resolutions, u aint gonna notice much, while on a monitor we need to get the resolution up to atleast 1024x768 for it to look crisp and clean (but that wut gives the pc its edge is, the crisp, clearness of the gaming quality)
U gotta admit the PS1 is prett impressive for 2mb v-ram

[the xenon]

I think its all about the money. Ur new shiney kick *** computer would cost around $2000 (if not more). But a console like PS2 can be had for only $200

[KraZy_SkitZy]

Originally posted by the xenon
I think its all about the money. Ur new shiney kick *** computer would cost around $2000 (if not more). But a console like PS2 can be had for only $200

Fair enough

[Bizkitkid2001]

Yeah and when your useing a 61" HDTV with the xbox advance HD pack you get resolutions up to 1600X1200:t

[XtReAmTwEaKist]

my pc kicks *** and it didnt cost 2000 plus, the ps1 did doo good for 2mb v ram im pressive but skitz take your idea if we didnt havea GUI that wasnt hungry for Vram we could literaly run a 64mb game (thats requires that much v ram) on 2 MB CARD think if i designed a OS that ran like dos but operated like windows you get what im saying what wasnt hungry for any type of memory it would be jus like a console im telling you think about it and you'll see im right

[Logan2002]

We had a thread about this before.
I agree I really would like it if games only came out for PC.

I like the tweaking you have to do in order for the game to run just right. I like the mini trouble shooting you have to do.

I like that fact that I can improve the way a game looks by upgrading my pc.

[AMDme]

I agree here, especially with what Logan is saying all the tweaking is fun and ugrading.

[Optimus Prime]

Amen Brother! Preach On!

[tony_j15]

I dont worry about console games not coming out for PC. Why? Something called an emulator.:x

[XtReAmTwEaKist]

ahh an emulator.... but are you sure that your PC can "emulate" the same performance as a console you see it takes ALOT more PC power to emulate something then jus to have it based for it plus why would you wanna go out of your way to find and d/l ROMs

[KraZy_SkitZy]

Originally posted by tony_j15
I dont worry about console games not coming out for PC. Why? Something called an emulator.:x

Find me a Dreamcast Emulator, and a half descent PS2 one and I'll be happy

[Light Vader]

Man, there isn't even a semi-decent PS2 emulator out there, let alone one for the DC. I'm sure they'll be released eventually, but who knows how long it will take. Have fun waiting...

[KraZy_SkitZy]

Originally posted by Light Vader
Man, there isn't even a semi-decent PS2 emulator out there, let alone one for the DC. I'm sure they'll be released eventually, but who knows how long it will take. Have fun waiting...

Ya, I know.. I'm not holdin my breath or nothin. I don't wanna go out and buy a DreamCast cause there's only 2 games i wanna play (Sonic Adventure 1&2) but I might go get a PS2, cause there are quite a few games I enjoy on it.

[Light Vader]

Originally posted by KraZy_SkitZy


Ya, I know.. I'm not holdin my breath or nothin. I don't wanna go out and buy a DreamCast cause there's only 2 games i wanna play (Sonic Adventure 1&2) but I might go get a PS2, cause there are quite a few games I enjoy on it.

Yeah, I totally understand that. Well, if you're planning on getting a PS2, you might want to wait until May or sometime shortly after. Rumor has it that all the current next gen consoles might be dropping in price around that time.

[XtReAmTwEaKist]

F*** waiting for emulators that aren't gonna come, PS2 and DC games are on DVD it'll take too long, and too much time to rip. no ones gonna rip a game for no money the old nes and SNES roms were easy to rip cause they weren't that big! thats why you see do many of them out there

my two cents

[Optimus Prime]

Who's talking about illegallity here? Im sure most of these people would use real PS2 and DC games, not "RiPPED" ones.

[XtReAmTwEaKist]

ok with that thought in mind there's alot of prgramming that has to deal with the development of a "decent" emulator such has drivers to use capabillity of the encoding on the cd and for video files i give it a year or two for the "modern emulator" to come out that i'll use but besides that i dont care if you use the cd or not then again, this question comes up how long will it be til' games come on DVD?

[Plaster]

While it is true that console games are in fact created on PC workstations they're not actually created for PC use. Sony, Sega, Microsoft and Nintendo are paying developers to make the games for their respective hardware. It's not as if there is a big building in which all games are made. Sony and Nintendo really have no stock in making games for the PC. Sega and MS on the other hand do, and they actually make PC games. If there were simply a large company that would pay for the publishing rights of certain games then I'm sure Square and other similar console game developers would release games on the PC more often. As it stands, it's simply too large a risk for a single developer to publish PC games on their own.

[KraZy_SkitZy]

Originally posted by XtReAmTwEaKist
F*** waiting for emulators that aren't gonna come, PS2 and DC games are on DVD it'll take too long, and too much time to rip. no ones gonna rip a game for no money the old nes and SNES roms were easy to rip cause they weren't that big! thats why you see do many of them out there

my two cents

Dream Cast games aren't on DVD format my friend, they are somewhat readable in a normal CD rom, except for those lil dummy files which make it look like there are only a couple notepad files in it. :t

[RamonGTP]

I disagree, I own consoles and a PC, and some games are just more fun with a console. For example, if I want to play a racing, fighting, or sports game, I wouldn't even think about using my PC. My PS2 does a better job of this, espically if I want to play against a few friends. However; internet gaming, FPS, RTS and flight/space simulators I will always play with my PC becuase it does a better job of those.

[Bizkitkid2001]

I agree with Ramon. Racving/fighting/ and sports games are best played on the console.

FPS are almost impossible for me to play on the console because of the controler.

As for internet gaming, I don't know because I havn't gotten xbox live yet.

[XtReAmTwEaKist]

what ever man ALL games for PC are better GO BUY A **** GAMEPAD! lol sheesh and skitz apologie for "assuming" DC games are on DVD never had a chance to really explore the contents of a DC game CAUSE I NEVER OWNED ON NOR WILL I

My Two Cents
TwEaKist

[Bizkitkid2001]

I own a gamepad and its not as good as the xbox controller:rolleyes:

[XtReAmTwEaKist]

eh oh well i like my PC. Consoles jus take up an extra outlet for a stereo components

[mcool61]

Consoles are designed primarily for one thing whereas a pc isn't. Consoles don't have to keep a complicated operating system on line or run any software in the background. Dedicated machines often do a better job at their job & cost less.:)

[XtReAmTwEaKist]

you didnt really read my first post did you try it again

[mcool61]

Sorry, it was late. So we agree on one thing.
Let he who pays play. If console manufacturers didn't pay to have games produced, many would never wind up on a pc.

[KraZy_SkitZy]

Originally posted by XtReAmTwEaKist
lol sheesh and skitz apologie for "assuming" DC games are on DVD never had a chance to really explore the contents of a DC game CAUSE I NEVER OWNED ON NOR WILL I

My Two Cents
TwEaKist

ummm, I assumed DC games are on DVD, ummm I don't think I daid anything of the sort? I said " Dream Cast games Aren't on DVD format my friend, they are somewhat readable in a normal CD rom, except for those lil dummy files which make it look like there are only a couple notepad files in it. " And dreamcast games AREN't on DVD cause those ROM guys out their, use the DreamCast itse;f to rip the game onto the computer, then burn the game itse;f onto a normal CDR, You would have a hard time gettin a DVD format game to fit on a normal CDR.

[$1500-P4 gamer]

GBdiscs. Thats what they are called folks. Propriatary piracy protection is what it is. Its just a normal cdrom disc with a dummy file to make the cd written to the center of disc. this data is unreadable in a norm. cdr and thus wont pickup the disc hence doing its job. THe ONLY thing that sets it apart from the reg. cdroms is that it hold 1gig of data total. Hence being called a GB disc. Really only about 650mb of actual data though. And as one said it cant be read by a pc-only uplinked through the seriel on DC to pc through parallel port. THen reburned useing normal cdr. So ya can burn'em just not readem. I know my dreamcast stuff. Hehe. Oh and Sonic adventures 1 I have and the game is friggen awsome on DC. THe other MUST have DC title that I got is Shenmue that game rules too. Graphics really show that the DC owned the ps one all the way....it just got too weak a following cause of the sega 32 and how it bombed. So it ultimatly did the same to the DC. What a waiste too it was a very powerfull system. Still is. Buddy got one and he agrees withme. the DC game DOA 2 LE is better graphics wise than Tekken Tag and thats on the PS2...:p

[Light Vader]

Originally posted by $1500-P4 gamer
GBdiscs. Thats what they are called folks. Propriatary piracy protection is what it is. Its just a normal cdrom disc with a dummy file to make the cd written to the center of disc. this data is unreadable in a norm. cdr and thus wont pickup the disc hence doing its job. THe ONLY thing that sets it apart from the reg. cdroms is that it hold 1gig of data total. Hence being called a GB disc. Really only about 650mb of actual data though. And as one said it cant be read by a pc-only uplinked through the seriel on DC to pc through parallel port. THen reburned useing normal cdr. So ya can burn'em just not readem. I know my dreamcast stuff. Hehe. Oh and Sonic adventures 1 I have and the game is friggen awsome on DC. THe other MUST have DC title that I got is Shenmue that game rules too. Graphics really show that the DC owned the ps one all the way....it just got too weak a following cause of the sega 32 and how it bombed. So it ultimatly did the same to the DC. What a waiste too it was a very powerfull system. Still is. Buddy got one and he agrees withme. the DC game DOA 2 LE is better graphics wise than Tekken Tag and thats on the PS2...:p

Well, that's not entirely true. The GD-ROM is a proprietary format that was co-developed by Yamaha & Sega, and works by packing the pits on the disc closer together to store more data. Along with more storage space, the GD-ROMs provide an extra level of copy protection that can't be reproduced using a standard CD-Writer. A GD-ROM consists of 2 data tracks. The first is usually between 10 & 50 Mb and can be read by a normal CD-Reader. The second track is written in a high density format which is NOT accessible by a normal CD-Reader. So it is possible for a GD-ROM to take up more space than 650mb. I've actually ripped a few games using the DC Broadband Adapter to PC method (the serial to pc method takes way too long), and a few of those games went well over 650mb, not including the dummy file. To be able to fit the game on a CDR, you have to know what files you can cut out and usually you would have to downsample any audio and video files as well (usually FMVs and the like). But usually most game data doesn't exceed 650mb like you stated.

[XtReAmTwEaKist]

what if they use these GD-ROMs for regular cd's..... i mean they prolly wouldnt make it but think IF they could jus an idea

Tweakist

[Light Vader]

Originally posted by XtReAmTwEaKist
what if they use these GD-ROMs for regular cd's..... i mean they prolly wouldnt make it but think IF they could jus an idea

Tweakist

The only problem would be is that you would need a CD drive that is capable of reading the data on a GD-ROM. The drive in the DC is a proprietary unit made Yamaha, so I doubt that most people would want to buy a new CD drive just to be able to read these GD-ROMs.

[XtReAmTwEaKist]

you may never know what people woll buy these days

[xenomorph69]

I Agree on this Argument, however.. I wish to add to this as well. Games are a big portion of the IT Industry, I believe that if you are going to make a game for the PC, then make it for ALL platforms of Operating Systems and not just one platform. These game companies are missing out on 20,000,000 Possible sales of their product( Just On Linux) Macintosh Customers Dont know how many possibilities they are missing out on if they were to make for the Other platforms as well, after that is done then, port the games to the consoles.

The World would be a much happier place if these game companies followed this type of practice.

[XtReAmTwEaKist]

THANK YOU!
someone see my point