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germanNiklas
03-09-2003, 06:23 AM
hello
today there are like groups in the army for expample the NAVI SEALS etc
was there such things also in ww2?
if so where can i ifnd these names of the groups or whatever u call it
also in ww2 there were like grpups called
15th Field Artillery Battalion
or
109th airborne or so
do u guys also know any of these names or a site where i can find them?
alivin
03-09-2003, 07:44 AM
The Desert Rats were the beginnings of the SAS and they started with wwII.There was also the US rangers they were pretty hard core too.
BipolarBill
03-09-2003, 09:35 AM
There were no SEALs in WW2, but there were their predecessors - Frogmen or UDT (underwater demolition teams). They were good with knives. :eek:
The Marine Corps Recon and Navy SeaBees did the hard-core stuff.
In my country, we have the SOF and the Guards. The SOF is a special task force that is used to fight terrorists and perform 'black' operations. The Guards are similar to our Commandos but they jump from choppers and not air transports.
Any more new military names???
germanNiklas
03-09-2003, 10:23 AM
there maybe a site?
bushmaster
03-09-2003, 10:38 AM
Look in here (http://www.sfahq.com/Special_Forces/index.html) if I told you any more I'd have to get wet.
Bigjakkstaffa
03-09-2003, 12:12 PM
The Desert Rats were the beginnings of the SAS and they started with wwII.There was also the US rangers they were pretty hard core too.
Not quite.
The SAS were originally a ghost unit, ie they didnt exist, they were name was bandied about to put the wind up the gerrys. David Stirling a wounded army officer (forget the rank) then marched into division HQ on a gammy leg and crutches and drilled the area commander with his idea for small 2 man fighting units behind enemy lines. A few heads got together, including monty and they decided they liked it, the moniker of the SAS was attached as they thought it would be a good idea to flesh out what was essentially a 'ghost brigade'
--Jakk:t
ClockerNovice
03-09-2003, 11:04 PM
The Marine Corps Recon and Navy SeaBees did the hard-core stuff.
Bill not sure you have your name right here but the Navy SeaBees, is the Naval Civil Engineer corps, the term SeaBees comes from CEB's Civil Engineering Battalion) these are the Naval equivelent to the Army Corps of Engineers, and Air Force Civil Engineer Squadrons, they are matinance and Utility experts, IE....Bridge Building and site preparation during times of war and building maintainance such as plumbing and electrical work during times of peace, UDT is the precursor to the Navy SeALs (Underwater Demolition Team) as for the Navy there really is no other Elite, or anti terrorism force besides the SeAls, however each Branch does offer some type of Spec Force.
Navy
-Seals
Army
- Green Berets (special forces)
- LRRPs (long range recon patrols)
- Rangers
-the role of the Ranger has significantly changed in the last 20 or so years, while in WWII they were used as the spearhead in the war in Europe, the Ranger is now simply a school that nearly any Army memeber regardless of MOS can attend with command approval. For example I know of a many number of Army admin clerks who have successfully completed ranger school, however the real rangers in infantry battalions are used for small squad sized (8-15 member) recon patrols and ambushes
- Red Berets (Airborne Rangers)
- an infantryman who has succesfully completed jump school and Ranger school
Marine Corps
- Marine Force Recon (baddest of the baddest)
Air Force
- Para-rescue
- these are the guys that beat a seals team, comprised of the absolute best swimmers in Seals, in a swimming competition, thier job is to recover downed pilots small teams that jump behind lines and searh out and recove a pilot if he has been shot down, basically an Airborne medic
-Combat Controller
- these are supposedly the First people on the ground if we were to invade a nation, they jump in set up shop and act as Air Traffic controllers and Air Base defense for first planes coming down
- TACP (Tactical Air Combat Patrol)
- Hump with ranger patrols and act as radio Liasons for hte Army, call in Air strikes, Medevacs, etc...
That is pretty much the entire list for the US with the exception of Delta Force which is the oncall US antiterrorism team.
And finally after going to Korea in 1998 for Foul Eagle Training campaign I was fortunate enough to see SAS and the ROK Marines operate in an exersice alongside SeAls and Green Berets and can Attest that both should be considered (along with Marine Force Recon) the absolute best trained special force corps in the world
I hope this is helpful, if you want more infor about the US military try going here. (http://www.military.com/Page/0,12170,1-OO-0,00.htm)
BipolarBill
03-09-2003, 11:55 PM
Seabees = CB = Construction Battalion = Active duty Sailors and Marines (I was in the Navy and visited Port Hueneme):
http://www.nsva.org/islandx-7CA.htm
http://www.atch.com/seabees/bua/bua.html
My dad was a Seabee. They went in with Marine Recon and before the regular Marines hit the beach to clear obstacles, scope airstrip locations and save their own hides. :eek:
ESHAW
03-10-2003, 12:16 AM
The forerunners of the seals were navy udt teams the seals were formed in the 1960's by President Kenedy and had I beleive 2 active teams in vietnam As for ww2 you had the 101st airborne the 82cnd airborne and rangers as well as the OSS office of strategic services who did assasinations rebel training and saabotage were later folded into the CIA
Cluedo
03-10-2003, 12:44 AM
Google Directory World War II listings (http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/History/By_Time_Period/Twentieth_Century/Wars_and_Conflicts/World_War_II/?il=1)
search of all directories for WWII (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&cat=gwd%2FTop&q=World+War+II&btnG=Google+Search)
Or if it's easier for you to use this site (http://www.google.de/) for your own searches.
If you're looking for specific information about units that you know today...then you might have to use historical searches.
Below, three promising links to look within:
English German languarge(?) site (http://www.mw-line.at/mw_history_main.html)
About dot com (http://militaryhistory.about.com/cs/specialforces/)
Google international special forces search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=international+military+special+forces&spell=1)
germanNiklas
03-10-2003, 02:53 AM
thank u guys
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