Heatsink and fan

[krisco]

Im ruinnig a 2000xp and have a dragon orb 3 and it cant kept my cpu cool so Im was thinking about buy this one will it keep my cpu cool http://www.thermaltake.com/products/heatsink/v7plus.htm also if anyone wants to buy a dragon orb 3 its 5 days old and still have the orginal package email me thanks.

[Ammok]

That should do the business, but what do you mean, can't keep your cpu cool, what temps you talking about here?

[krisco]

It gets up to 150 degrees I think 60 celcus and when it gets that hot it freezes up. I have 2 2200 rpm fans one blowing in and one blowing out plus a fan on my video card and chip set.

[Bovon]

The TT Orb heatsinks were designed for looks only, not for cooling. If the sink has a thermal pad on the bottom, remove it, clean it and cpu, put some good thermal compound on the cpu core only. Put a non conductive shim on the cpu (to keep that orb from killing your cpu) check the bottom of the heatsink for flatness...lap if necessary, replace and the cpu temps should come down maybe 5 degrees.

If you replace with another kind, check the sink for flatness, remove any thermal pad that comes with it. Get and use a non conductive shim (they were designed to keep the cpu core from damage) Get some good thermal compound, Artic Silver is a good one...apply sparingly. When attaching the heatsink, be very sure it is sitting flat down on the cpu...its easy to install one and it be cocked up just a little on one side. If this doesn't chip (and kill) the cpu, it certainly will cause a serious increase in temps.

Lapping any aluminum heatsink gets rid of the anodized aluminum finish, which is known to impede heat transfer.

[BipolarBill]

Please note that the Thermaltake HSF you pointed to is for a Pentium 4. :rolleyes:

You want one of these:

http://www.thermaltake.com/products/k7&370MenuR.htm

My advice is to leave the kid stuff behind and get one of these:

http://www.thermalright.com/slk800.html

[Giblet Plus!]

I agree with BipolarBill. The slk-800 is the best heatsink available (except for the slk-900) and is worth the $35.

"Kid stuff" :p

I like that description of thermaltake. :D

[omega31]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
Please note that the Thermaltake HSF you pointed to is for a Pentium 4. :rolleyes:
Actually, the Volcano 7+ is for both socket 478 and 462 (... and 370). Even the link you listed has the Volcano 7+ listed.

But I do agree about it being kid stuff.

:D

[CrazyMike]

Question about the slk-800 - Is it a passive system, or do you also attach a fan to the top?

[omega31]

You attach a 60mm, 70mm, or 80mm fan (see stepping on fins).

http://www.thermalright.com/images/slk800.jpg

http://www.thermalright.com/slk800.html

[MtX]

Im actually gonna buy a heatsink + fan soon when I upgrade.. Im probably gonna buy an Athlon XP 1800+ so I need a decent HSF.. This SLK800 is probably gonna be expensive, I live in Canada, so $35 USD = $54 CAD :( . And I have to buy my own fan, that sux! So expensive for a HSF!

[BipolarBill]

Ahhh - but it's so darned good.

[BadBadNeil]

another alternative is the swiftech HSF combos. With a 80mm smart case fan II you can regulate the speed of the fan to get in a good zone and the swiftech, especially the MCX-462+ series uses 4 mounting holes on the motherboard for clipless and painless installation. You have to have 4 mounting holes though for installation.

It was between this HSF and the SLK800 and im happy. Fan at 1/2 speed approx 29C temps at idle and 34C under load.

[elleon30033]

Bipolar is dead on again....Jezzz is this guy ever wrong? i had the original thermal take volcano 7....added the newer smart II fan and still had temps of 55+ with my 2000+. It died. Got a 2800+ barton and decided not to flirt iwth thermal death so spent the mullah for the SLK-800....Hottest i've seen it in three days is 34 C. the slk 800 was worth every bit of the 59 dollars i spent...hell, the second day air shipping is what wasn't worth it, but try having a new chip and see how long you wanna wait for a HSF for it LMAO.....

[Giblet Plus!]

If you don't feel like spending $35 + $10 for a fan on a heatsink, you can get a Vantec Aeroflow for $32 or a Thermalright SK-7 + fan for about $32. :)

[MtX]

Thats what im probably gonna do.. get that vantec...

Im probably not going to OC anytime soon, but if I do, is this vantec aeroflow decent for overclocking cpus??? can i oc a athlon xp1800+ (1.53ghz) to a possible 1.7ghz? :D

[BipolarBill]

Easy.

As has been said before, the Dr. Thermal TI-V77L is a good deal - as is the SK-6+ with a $10 fan.

I recently found the Royal Thermal Ranger and it works really well:

http://www.directron.com/pk04535.html

[MtX]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
Easy.

As has been said before, the Dr. Thermal TI-V77L is a good deal - as is the SK-6+ with a $10 fan.

I recently found the Foxconn Regal Ranger and it works really well:

http://www.directron.com/pk04535.html

Which company makes the Dr. Thermal TI-V77L and SK-6+? Im gonna have to do a little research on those 2 recommended HSFs performance-wise and price-wise. Also, do you have to buy thermal paste to put on the CPU core or do the HSFs have thermal pads?

[BipolarBill]

They all come wth pads.

http://www.thermalright.com/sk6plus.html

http://www.thermal-integration.com/product.htm

[MtX]

Thanks a lot.... Id probably get the TI-V77L because it comes with a fan, that way there wouldnt be any extra hassle in buying a fan and putting it on....

How come at http://www.thermal-integration.com/product.htm there are 3 types, Low Noise, Standard and Overclocking.. When I click on the TI-V77L link on the left, there are 3 different ones.. Which ones the one you were mentioning?

[BipolarBill]

There are two "L"s - 3800RPM for Normal and OC and 3200RPM for Quiet. Most of the time, you're getting the 3800RPM unit. Those three pictures are of the K, L and N models.

http://www.mikhailtech.com/articles/heatsinks/tiv77l/

[MtX]

Hmm thanks for the review... Looks like the TI-V77L is a pretty good heatsink + fan.... In the review, it noted that the size of the TI-V77L is pretty big, I need to check if it can fit inside my ATX case, cause my case is very weird... It's ATX but right beside where you put the CPU, it's the power supply, Im not sure if I have enough space! Now I just gotta find a place that sells it for cheap :)..

[Giblet Plus!]

It's worth giving it a try. They are pretty short compared to normal heatsinks. :)

www.thecardcooler.com has them for $16, and sometimes has free shipping.

www.newegg.com has them for $18.
:D

[MtX]

Hmmmmmmmmm..... Do you know any Canadian sites :)

Would also like to know if you knew any cheap places that sold the Vantec Aeroflow as well :D

[whargoul]

Not a InWin A500 by any chance?

The Thermal Integration's dimensions might work to your advantage - it is big not in height, but in width.

http://www.vibecomputers.com/index.cfm?loc=hardware&if=y&mid=21

Both the TI and Vantec are there. Great prices, excellent customer service.

Oh yah Canada Computers has the Vantec as well, since that seems to be where your looking. Do you live right by them?

[Cyber101]

other words TT valcano 7 is a piece of trash and a waste of money? compared to the sk-800 heat sink and 10 dollar fan right?

[MtX]

Originally posted by whargoul
Not a InWin A500 by any chance?

The Thermal Integration's dimensions might work to your advantage - it is big not in height, but in width.

http://www.vibecomputers.com/index.cfm?loc=hardware&if=y&mid=21

Both the TI and Vantec are there. Great prices, excellent customer service.

Oh yah Canada Computers has the Vantec as well, since that seems to be where your looking. Do you live right by them?

im probably getting that........ still the price seems a little bit too high if im not overclocking my cpu...............

[paul0660]

NOthing wrong with the Volcano 7+, except that it is made by the guys who make orbs. MIne keeps my 2100+ @ 2328 under 45 C at the medium speed.

[krisco]

I finialy got my volcano 7 and it seems to be working great I was wonding if anyone knows of any programs That are free to download that tell me the temps of my pc. I dont like using the bios that much. Thanks

[BipolarBill]

Use Speedfan (http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php) to monitor your box. :t

[Cyber101]

well then.. should i get the TT valcano 7 for my p4 1.8ghz that will be over clocked to 2.53ghz? and maybe even beyond??? its 34.99 at fry's and thats the only decnt fan they sell i think...

[BipolarBill]

They have the Volcano 9 too.

[krisco]

This thing is working great it keeping my computer at a idle on median speed of 40 C about 106 F its only going about 5000 rpm and I can barley here it. This is one good heat sink and fan On low speed you can even notice theres a fan in there this is very nice. It was worth my $37.00 I payed for it. also does anyone know anything about buying this

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/cybercooler/dig8fanconwl.html

I was going to buy it for about $25.00 off ebay brandnew

[Tweb]

Does the fan sppeed matter? Is a slower speed say 3200 to 3400 better then a 5000 rpm speed?

[Ammok]

You should measure fans by the air flow, cubic feet per minute, and noise by decibels, please be aware that decibels use a logarithmic scale so 30 and 40 are ten times or more apart, not just ten.

Higher speed fans tend be noisier.

[BipolarBill]

To be specific, a 3dB increase in sound pressure level results in an apparent doubling of loudness.

[Ammok]

Hey, good explanation BPB, as a rough guide, 48 decibels is bloody loud for a fan and 32 is tolerable, less than this is fantastic. My own scale.:)

[krisco]

What the fasted fan you can buy. Im getting 2 22000 rpm fans are those to high or low.

[BipolarBill]

22,000?? :eek: I think not! You must mean 2,200. That's slow, but quiet. For case use, they're ideal.

[Ammok]

Cubic feet per metre, liters per second, cubic metres per minute. Speed means nothing at all, on its own.

At 22k rpm it's going to sound like a power drill going through concrete, what is the decibel rating? and what is the volume of air pushed through per minute rating? please.

On the plus side it should create an enormous air pressure as well.:) What voltage and current is it drawing? What size?

Sorry for all the questions, but just trying to ascertain what it is you are going to purchase.

[MtX]

I did some research on AMD temperatures today.. Found out that my Duron is capable of 0-90 degrees Celcius.. Went into bios and saw that my CPU is at 60 degrees Celcius and my motherboard is at 20 degrees Celcius.... My fan is some garbage **** cause I didnt upgrade yet :D ...... Are the temperatures good?

[Ammok]

Aha, 2200 rpm, that sounds a bit better, forget all the other questions, what cfm is it?

MtX I did some research on AMD temperatures today.. Found out that my Duron is capable of 0-90 degrees Celcius.. Went into bios and saw that my CPU is at 60 degrees Celcius and my motherboard is at 20 degrees Celcius.... My fan is some garbage **** cause I didnt upgrade yet ...... Are the temperatures good?

Mines runs at 47c and I would not like to be running at 60c, and I don't believe ninety, might run for three seconds, if your lucky.

[BipolarBill]

Originally posted by MtX
I did some research on AMD temperatures today.. Found out that my Duron is capable of 0-90 degrees Celcius.. Went into bios and saw that my CPU is at 60 degrees Celcius and my motherboard is at 20 degrees Celcius.... My fan is some garbage **** cause I didnt upgrade yet :D ...... Are the temperatures good? Upgrade your HSF. Here's a cheap one that works great:

http://store.yahoo.com/directron/pk04535.html

Be forwarned that it has no RPM sensor cable. If you want one of those, get one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=N82E16835113001

or this:

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=N82E16835109007 and this http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=N82E16811999106 .

[krisco]

Yes I mean 2,200 is that going to keep my pc cool inside also what does cfm mean. Thanks

[Ammok]

cubic feet per minute, how much air it blows out, or in, per minute, the higher the rating the more air it blows, your 2200 rpm may be say 23 cfm, and the 5000 fans could be 29 cfm for example.:)

[MtX]

Thx Bill.. Im gonna get that Vantec C7040 with Aeroflow/TMD when I upgrade :D

Hope its good for overclocking and cooling hehehe

Anyone OC with the Vantec by the way?? How many MHZ did you get until unstable?

[BipolarBill]

Originally posted by MtX
Anyone OC with the Vantec by the way?? How many MHZ did you get until unstable? That depends on a bunch of other factors like CPU type, case ventilation, etc.

[BipolarBill]

BTW - that Vantec looks suhweeet! :)

[MtX]

Hmm..... That brings me to an interesting question.. What cheap but decent cases are good for overclocking?? Almost any case right, as long as its big enough..... Do u need 2 case fans to OC?

[BipolarBill]

Look for a case with concave/convex air inlets/outlets -like this:

http://images2.newegg.com/productimage/11-129-125-05.JPG

See the way the grill is pushed out? The allows the free flow of air and less turbulence noise.

The number and size of vent holes is less important than actual flow. This bugger blows cold air out the back:

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=N82E16811129117

This is a great case, but it needs a power supply:

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=N82E16811125311

[MtX]

Ahh i need something cheaper.. That's $100+ in CAD..

Any good ones at http://canadacomputers.com/cases.html which are around $50-$60??? I dont really need features like "FireWire" (what the heck is that anyways?)

[BipolarBill]

Do you have a power supply or not?

BTW - what are we gonna cover in this thread next - modems? Could you start a new thread for the next subject?

[Giblet Plus!]

Bpb - What case is that you posted the pic of? It's not in your links, and it doesn't look like a standard chieftec/antec style tower. :p

[BipolarBill]

Nope - that's the Antec "Solution Series" Mini-tower. Niiiice. :)
I just slapped one together.

[krisco]

This is pretty funny I just started this thread to ask a couple question now look at it. Well I was looking to buy this monitor does it look like a good one.

http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/SKU.asp?BCFlag=False&PageType=1&SKU=490583

[Giblet Plus!]

Look what I found:

http://images2.newegg.com/productimage/11-129-126-10.JPG

$95 for an aluminum, windowed, case with a Antec True Blue 350! :)

I'm making my friends get this when they upgrade. :p

krisco - Start a new thread in the video forum. Your link is broken anyways.

[BipolarBill]

Oh - now we're on monitors? :rolleyes:

This one's better - and cheaper:

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=N82E16824155026

[BipolarBill]

Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
Look what I found:

$95 for an aluminum, windowed, case with a Antec True Blue 350! :)

I'm making my friends get this when they upgrade. :p

krisco - Start a new thread in the video forum. Your link is broken anyways. You have to enter your Zip code, Gib. :p

[Giblet Plus!]

I'm a fan of Samtron for cheapo monitors. :)

[Giblet Plus!]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
You have to enter your Zip code, Gib. :p

Really now. I got it under control.

"Good luck finding a 120mm fan that doesn't make a racket"

I like how you edited this out before I could make a comment about 7 volting fans. :p

[BipolarBill]

I don't know what you're talking about.






:p

[BipolarBill]

Hey Gib - you gonna put a jug of coolant in that aluminum Lanboy? :D

[Giblet Plus!]

Actually, I don't have a reservoir in my water-cooling setup, only a t-line for filling and bleeding. I'm trying to convince friends to let me make water-cooling setups for them, but they won't bite. :r

[MtX]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
Do you have a power supply or not?

BTW - what are we gonna cover in this thread next - modems? Could you start a new thread for the next subject?

I have a power supply for my current computer...... But when I upgrade im gonna be gettin a new case, so yes ill need one....
All the cases at http://canadacomputers.com/cases.htmlare so expensive and most of them have features i dont need.. what is firewire

Dont have to cover modems cause im on DSL :P

[BipolarBill]

Get the Chenming 601AE - any color. Spend less and you get junk. Trust me.

[MtX]

That looks pretty good..... What about the Aron Atlas... Looks cool but it's no good eh?

http://canadacomputers.com/products/cases/full/aron_atlas_tuning_s.jpg

[BipolarBill]

It's all flash and no pan. Once you see the Chenming, you'll understand.

[Giblet Plus!]

I 2nd that.

Keep in mind that the turbolink PSU you get with the chenming isn't that great. Mine's still working, but I'd like better. :r

[MtX]

It's like $100+ for the Chenming?

[BipolarBill]

See for yourself:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?DEPA=1&submit=manufactory&catalog=7&manufactory=1651&description=&Order=price

The Chieftecs are the same:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=7&manufactory=1502&DEPA=1&sortby=14&order=1

[MtX]

601AE = $100+ in Canada :r