GeForce 3Ti200 vs. ATi 8500

[jengle]

I have a AMD 2100+ processor and a wondered which video card would be a better deal. Any other suggestions in the same price range would be appreciated.

[BipolarBill]

They're about equal, really. The ATi does 2D better and has some neat features, but basic performance is much the same.

[MailAndre]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
They're about equal, really. The ATi does 2D better and has some neat features, but basic performance is much the same.

I not sure they are the same BipolarBill, I have heard from lots of people from others forums telling me that the radeon 8500 is more like the geforce4 ti4200. Are they wrong? I hope they are.

[RamonGTP]

The 8500 is slightly more morefull than the GF3 line and slightly less power full than the Ti4200.

[BiG MiKeY]

neither save ure money get a decent card something lyke a 9500 pro.. till then no other card comes close to the price of performance ratio.... or u can get a G4 ti4200 and oc it still wont be as powerful though as the 9500 pro... if i was gonna chose i have to c whice cards oc betta but that my opinion

[BipolarBill]

Originally posted by MailAndre

I have heard from lots of people from others forums telling me that the radeon 8500 is more like the geforce4 ti4200. Are they wrong? I hope they are. All things considered, the two are the same. ATi drivers are flaky enough to knock them down a notch.

[MailAndre]

So my geforce3 is faster than a radeon 8500?

[MailAndre]

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/rochacarlos/futuremark.jpg
Found this at futuremark.

[AllGamer]

Originally posted by MailAndre
So my geforce3 is faster than a radeon 8500?

it depends what games and software you run

:t

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Id go for the 8500, decent game speeds, good 2d and DVD, having said that i hated my old rage pro because of the drivers and it dont even sound like theyre much better nowadays

--Jakk:t

[NDD]

I'd get GF3Ti200 even if it's slower.
ATI ? Drivers, drivers, drivers :(

[MailAndre]

the g3 is heck old, at least the radeon is newer.

[BipolarBill]

Originally posted by MailAndre
the g3 is heck old, at least the radeon is newer. Not much meaning in that statement. Newer is not always better.

[Bigjakkstaffa]

io fint the old old old stament to be worng. The way nvidia optimise teyre drivers all the time for chipset features id be suprised if they still havent gotten around to fully optimising the gf3's never mind the gf4's

--Jakk:t

[MailAndre]

By old I mean it uses old dx8 not like in the newer radeon 9500 pro (which I want to buy) that uses dx9.

[Bigjakkstaffa]

dx 9 which isnt even yet totally bug free you mean? :rolleyes:

--Jakk:t

[Avor]

I'd get 8500. Heck, I have an 8500LE and OCed it further than the regular 8500 :D

I can't find a game it can't run well over 40FPS anyways... I boot out video cards when they don't support newer games/software well or when games can't be ran over 25FPS consistantly.

That's how my Voodoo 3 went away :( Even used Wicked GL to keep her as long as possible.

I'm afraid of Doom 3. It might be the end of this one.

[OpK Chowdy]

Originally posted by Avor
I'm afraid of Doom 3. It might be the end of this one.

Same here :( . This GF4ti4200 128mb runs everything i throw at it. Perhaps doom3 will be the end for my system too. Oh well, always could play at 640x480 :D

[BiG MiKeY]

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
dx 9 which isnt even yet totally bug free you mean? :rolleyes:

--Jakk:t

since when is any M$ product bug-free. i agree 9500 pro is a good buy right now . to bad u cant oc it. but i wont be suprised if someone finds a way.

[panchos]

I tried a GeForce3 (non-Ti) and the Radeon 8500LE(230/230) on my system, K7S5A, xp1500+, 256DDR, and the games run faster with the 8500LE than with the GF3. Run 3dmark2001 and got like 500 pts more with the 8500LE than with the GF3.

My conclusion, ATI RADEON 8500LE.

[Bigjakkstaffa]

since when is any M$ product bug-free.

Point taken, and agreed with :D

--Jakk:t

[ALS]

Choose ATI Radeon 8500. It will outperform GeForce.

[BipolarBill]

Originally posted by ALS
Choose ATI Radeon 8500. It will outperform GeForce. Correction:

It will outperform GeForce3.

[Giblet Plus!]

Correction: Geforce 3 - non ti500

[BipolarBill]

Correcton:

I hate ATi!

:p

[Giblet Plus!]

I've noticed. I like their new cards, but still hate their drivers.

[BipolarBill]

I've installed dozens of nVidia cards and they worked right off in every case. I've installed one Radeon 7500 All-in-Wonder and it still makes me nuts.

[DesertPony]

I've considered trying out an ATI card, but with all the bad things I've heard about their drivers has made me deciede to stick with Nvidia. No one IMO can come close to their drivers and driver support.

[ngc457]

FACT!!!!!!!! ATI graphics cards are just fine and the drivers are stable. I repeat ATI graphics cards are fine and the drivers are stable. I have an ATI 8500LE 128meg and I have never ever not in a million years had one crash, glitch, burp, ****, cough or hickup with it. I have installed several ATI cards in computers and they have never crashed, blue screen, glitch, hickup, burp, ****, scratch or given any trouble in anyway shape or form.
I love ATI because they have great 2d for my photo editing, web design and desktop publishing. Oh I love to play Battlefield 1942 as well. I think ATI is the best thing going. Anyone who says they are unstable and the drivers are flacky don't know thier ***** from a hole in the ground.

Oh I have installed several Nvida cards as well and they work great as well. I only had one Nvida give me trouble. It was a Hercules geforce2 MX that had a compatibility problem with a shuttle ak 31 rev 3.1 mobo. I replaced it with an Elsa geforce2 MX and put the Hercules in an abit BH6 mobo and they both worked great.

[Omega2k1]

I'd go with the Radeon 8500 because they're a lot better on their driver support now and it runs everything i've got great(UT:2k3 with maxed Graphics, Q3 with Maxed and 6x AA and 16x Anistropic)...

BUT BE SURE YOU GET ONE MADE BY ATI... NOT SAPPHIRE!!

The ones made by sapphire have 5.1ns DDR clocked at 200mhz instead of 3.3ns DDR clocked at 250. Which puts a huge hit on performance(about 3000 3d marks worth).

[Slade54]

Hm....maybe you can buy the 9500 (not pro) flash it or do some soldering and turn it into a 9700 PRO (i.e. 256bit memory, and 8 pipe lines, but slower clock speed) for alot less then actually buying a 9700 PRO. hehe, wouldnt that be awesome.

And a comment toward the ATI driver thing, it isnt that their drivers are upstable and what not, its they arent nearly as optimized as they should be. They arent quite as polished as they could be. Or at least, thats what i conclude from all that i hear.

[$1500-P4 gamer]

Originally posted by Slade54
Hm....maybe you can buy the 9500 (not pro) flash it or do some soldering and turn it into a 9700 PRO (i.e. 256bit memory, and 8 pipe lines, but slower clock speed) for alot less then actually buying a 9700 PRO. hehe, wouldnt that be awesome.

And a comment toward the ATI driver thing, it isnt that their drivers are upstable and what not, its they arent nearly as optimized as they should be. They arent quite as polished as they could be. Or at least, thats what i conclude from all that i hear.

that maybe but FPS is the factor there. I get the same or in cases BETTER FPS on my radeon 8500 (stock at 250/275) with 3.3hynix mem than my VisionTEk G3 original. Explain that? If the radeon drivers arent fully tweaked yet then Nvidia be prepaired for a **** whoopen! Point is both brands are fine driver and stability wise. this is like saying Intel is more stable than amd cause they have been popular longer. Shees.

[BipolarBill]

ATi is for gurlz! :t


;)

[ngc457]

ATi is for gurlz! Would you please explain in more detail on why you made that statement.


FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ATI 9700 is the fastest gamming card out there and blows away the GF4. FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ATI is easy to install, stable, works great and has great drivers that are stable. FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ATI is far better then nvidia at photoshop work, dv editing, and desktop publishing then nvidia.

[Bigjakkstaffa]

FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ATI 9700 is the fastest gamming card out there and blows away the GF4. FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ATI is easy to install, stable, works great and has great drivers that are stable. FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ATI is far better then nvidia at photoshop work, dv editing, and desktop publishing then nvidia.

Good for Ati - i wont be switching mg geforce 4 ti4200 for one though :p

--Jakk:t

[_Mystical_Night]

Radeon 9500 Pro & 9700 series = :x :x :x :x

altho right now I would rather buy the radeon 9500 which only cost $190 with 2nd day shipping as to $300 without shipping for a few more frames per sec that the 9700 Pro has

[BipolarBill]

Let me clear this up...

ATi is for GURLZ!!!

Any questions? :p

[_Mystical_Night]

ATI still kicks g-string's **** :p

[_Mystical_Night]

Radeon 9500 pro also has all the same features as the 9700 pro for about $120+ less just a little slower clock speed

[Bigjakkstaffa]

The 9500 can be flashed up to 9700 level anyway cant it?

But whats the point given loads of games, for intance UT2k3 are still having problems with radeon 9700's

--Jakk:t

[BipolarBill]

Maybe I got it backwards. nVidia cards work without effort and ATi requires tweaking. Hmmm....


nVidia is for CHIX!

[ngc457]

bipolarbill you are partly right. Nvidia cards work great without effort. I installed a GF4 in a friends computer just 2 days ago. I pluged the card in the nice pretty agp slot. Booted up the computer and logged onto www.nvidia.com and downloaded and installed the great stable drivers. The drivers installed and I rebooted. Upon bootup everything was working great without effort.

Your wrong with ATI however. When I install an ATI card I plug it into the nice pretty agp slot boot up the computer go to the ATI web site and download the great stable drivers and then I reboot. Upon bootup everything works great without effort or tweaking.

[BipolarBill]

OK, OK - just having some fun here. :)

[_Mystical_Night]

yeah R9500 Pro can be made to perform like a R9700 Pro through software :p (I made a post about it the other day) good way to save $120 big ones

[Slade54]

Now when you can do that, and have directx9 support (doesnt really means much, but sounds koo) why would you want to buy an nVidia card right now?

[BipolarBill]

I don't know about you, but I refuse to pay over $200 for any video card. nVidia has many good cards (Ti4400 and down) in my price range.

[Slade54]

Exactly, the 9500 (not pro) 128mb only cost 160 at newegg. And considering you can flash it to be a slower clocked 9700 PRO for half the price thats an awesome deal. You cant beat that with anything right now.

[BiG MiKeY]

Originally posted by Slade54
Exactly, the 9500 (not pro) 128mb only cost 160 at newegg. And considering you can flash it to be a slower clocked 9700 PRO for half the price thats an awesome deal. You cant beat that with anything right now.

enough wit the flashing bs.... i wanna c 3d mark scores.... and the program

[_Mystical_Night]

isnt the Radeon 9500 (normal) 64mb ? the Pro is 128 mb with same features and software as R9700 pro


R9500 pro = $180-$195 with 2nd day shipping


I'll post some 3d marks of it clocked to the same thing as a R9700 pro when my new pc is built :p

[BipolarBill]

No need:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20021218/vgacharts-05.html

[free88]

In response to thread title:
Both are the best value right now in the video card market. The ATI 8500LE offers a little more performance, but it is only a slight advantage. G3 Ti-200 64MB gives you great drivers, while the ATI can be a little shaky. I own the g3 Ti-200 128MB, and it is more than adequate for any games/task. I suppose the same for the ATI card. Bottom line, for $66 nothing can beat the 8500LE in price/performance. And even though the G3 ti-200 64MB went up from $69 to $82 this past month, it'll soon be back down and another great value.:t

[BiG MiKeY]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
No need:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20021218/vgacharts-05.html


bill i took a look (but knowing tom sux and they wouldnt oc their vid cards) but these r stock (not flashed) 9500s....afta bout 15min of searching for the artice that says that 9500s have a locked bios.... i saw this article (http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/r9500-9700-dx9-p1.html) i guess oc the card was possible and it was done by software stupid ati...

[BipolarBill]

Kewl, but I'm happy with my stock Ti4400 and don't relish the prospect of modifications for a 10% boost.

[BiG MiKeY]

hmm still mad at ati for my raedon ve...... friend of mine told me dude dont get the ge4 ti4200 that card cost to much.... hmm i wanna stangle him now.... anyway i can oc this **** further i would go more wit the oc utility but it stops at 203 or something lyke that the memory can go more but i c image tears and its not asymetraical... i read it betta for it to be asymetrical dunno if its tru

[Rugor]

I'm weird, I like them both.

Right now I want an R9500Pro, before that it was a Ti4200. Depending on what happens in a month or so it may change.

[$1500-P4 gamer]

Me and rugor think alike in that way. I likem both too. I have a G3 and I have a ATI radeon8500LE. I want a 9700 when they get cheap, for now its a dream. Heck my G3 twas $400 when I got it! LOL not going there again. Anyhow after the GFX comes out I wnat that too. One goes in the Intel rig the other in the 1600+ system!:D Then I'll have a G3 original and a BBA radeon at 250/275 for sale.:p

[causticVapor]

Got to say I'm following the same upgrade path as you, P4gamer... once the GeForce FX comes out, I'm getting the non-ultra version. The Ti4200 goes to my dad, and until I replace a cap I'm stuck with the Viper II. :(

Good tidings :D

[$1500-P4 gamer]

"and until I replace a cap I'm stuck with the Viper II"

Ohhh, a little to heavy on the oclock I take it?:eek: :x

[causticVapor]

Well, I remember running the AGP bus at 95MHz but only for a few minutes, and the mem at 675 for a few secs :x :p

Otherwise nothing bad, other than a constant oc of 280/600...

I'm pretty sure the bus OC contributed most to it. Don't ever buy used hardware from me. :x

[$1500-P4 gamer]

"Don't ever buy used hardware from me. "
Yea, I guess so. I'll have to remember that.;) :D

[AllGamer]

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
Id go for the 8500, decent game speeds, good 2d and DVD, having said that i hated my old rage pro because of the drivers and it dont even sound like theyre much better nowadays

--Jakk:t


Big Time Difference between RAGE and RADEON

RAGE had extremely poor drivers support

RADEON has an amaizing driver support

:t

[AllGamer]

Originally posted by ND
I'd get GF3Ti200 even if it's slower.
ATI ? Drivers, drivers, drivers :(

That's not true

people keep thinking RADEON is RAGE and that's not the case

RADEON has as good if not better driver support than nVidias

where the RAGE has poorly any support

so we are talking about 2 different beasts in here ;) :t

[jengle]

Is this one good or is it one of the slower fakes? Its the one for ATi 8500LE 64 for $60. www.buyxtremegear.com/ati.html:x

[BiG MiKeY]

hmm before u buy from them u might wanna check their reseller rating here (http://resellerratings.com/seller2753.html)

[bassman]

If you're in a rush to get a graphics card and don't want to spend much, I'd go for a Radeon 9000 - I've had experience with this baby and it rocks. If you want a bet for the future and have some money (about 200/250 €) I'd go for the 9500 Pro.

[jengle]

Where do you think would be the best place to get it from then?
http://www.pricewatch.com/1/37/4187-1.htm

Remember, I am trying to go somewhat cheap here.

[BipolarBill]

ENPC.COM has a good rep:

http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1877.html

[jengle]

Yeah but it is whiteboxed amd I think it is ,ade by sapphire. How do you know?

[BipolarBill]

Originally posted by jengle
Yeah but it is whiteboxed amd I think it is ,ade by sapphire. How do you know? I would know by calling and asking. ;)

[$1500-P4 gamer]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
I would know by calling and asking. ;)

Yep askem. Its the only way to know. And if its real Built By ATI they can give ya the #'s to run at ati website to validate. If they offer no #'s walk away they are bluffing ya.;)

[Slade54]

Yea, thats a very important thing to know

If they dont give you the info you need, you dont give them the money they wont.

And if you ask them for particular models or steppings, make sure you get it in writing!!(and not your writing, duh, their writing) That way when they send you the wrong item, you have proof that they made a mistake, and they better fix it free of charge. If they charge you for anything, scream and yell until it goes your way:t

[BiG MiKeY]

screamin will kill ure vocal cords betta off just threatin a law suit.... business ppl dont lyke that