Radeon 8500LE vs. 9000PRO

[Kurylo]

I have a selection:
1) ATI Radeon 8500LE (250/500???)
2) ATI Radeon 9000PRO (275/550???)

I know that 8500LE have twice pipelines then R9000PRO but R9000PRO has faster shaders and better TCL.

1) Which card will get more 3DMarks?
2) What difference will be using R8500LELE card?

[BipolarBill]

Without FSAA turned on, I bet the 8500 gets much better benchmarks and FPS. I would get the 8500.

[Kurylo]

I should say that I select between 9000PRO and 8500LE, not 8500 retail (too much $$$).
And, what's wrong with FSAA?

[BipolarBill]

I cuts benchmarks and framerates dramatically for little benefit. It's one of the things that the 9000 does better, but if you turn it off on both cards, the 8500 will do much better.

Frankly, in that price range, I would prefer a GeForce3 Ti200.

[KraZy_SkitZy]

go 8500 my friend. :t

[Kurylo]

Thanx, I'll do.

I regret only one thing 8500 has not: a technology called Full-Stream :(
But anyways, 8500LE is good :)

[NDD]

"Full-Stream" doesn't look so good as advertised :rolleyes:

[Kurylo]

You mean that the pdf document which can be found at the ATI's site which says how c00l is the Full-Stream technology is half a bu!!*****?
Then I'll go with Radeon 8500LE without any words. :)

[Kurylo]

BTW, I can't afford GF3Ti200, and if I could I'd buy GF4Ti4200, not an older GF3. That's why:
1) Transcend ATI R8500LE 64M = $86
2) Sapphire ATI R9000PRO 64M = $72
3) Sapphire ATI R9000 64M = $66
4) Leadtek GF3Ti200 64M = $125
5) Prolink GF4Ti4200 64M = $134.
Please, notice the difference of the prices between the ATI and NVidia GPUs.

I've selected Transcend ATI R8500LE 64M = $86. Am I right?

[Kurylo]

BTW, I don't think I'll use FSAA, i'd better inrease the resolution, but 8x or 16x anisotropy will be turned on always.

[AllGamer]

8500 and 8500LE they are both the same thing, 8500 LE just has slightly under clocked speed, and more or same ram

[AllGamer]

I always use my games and stuff with FULL Quality Maxed out on everything

and the stuff is smoooth and nice

only some older games that uses DirectX 6 or Direct X 5 will have extremely fast refresh rate on them, and in those cases i'm forced to cut down to 4x AA vs the normal 16x AA that i use

:t

[KraZy_SkitZy]

Originally posted by AllGamer


only some older games that uses DirectX 6 or Direct X 5 will have extremely fast refresh rate on them, and in those cases i'm forced to cut down to 4x AA vs the normal 16x AA that i use

:t

Do you mean 6x AA? or do you really mean 16AF?

[AllGamer]

yes ATI goes to 16x AA

[$1500-P4 gamer]

Yep Ati has 16x AA somthing nvidia doesnt know what means- hehe. Also TRUE-Form on 8500LE's and higher. The 7500 doesnt have it. Anyhow Trueform is 10x better than AA. It draws more triangles than the programer put in for a more rounded smooth look. It works great when progs. are compat with it.:D

[NDD]

ATI generally performs better with Anisotropy.

[KraZy_SkitZy]

Originally posted by AllGamer
yes ATI goes to 16x AA

Really, i got an ATI Radeon 8500 128mb (Retail, not LE), and from what I've seen it has only got 6x AA, and 16x AF..... I'm on my old computer, so maybe later I'll recheck. (I have the latest DX9 drivers)

[$1500-P4 gamer]

No man thats *Smooth Vision* That only goes to 6x and it also limits the max res the higher it goes too.;)

[KraZy_SkitZy]

Originally posted by $1500-P4 gamer
No man thats *Smooth Vision* That only goes to 6x and it also limits the max res the higher it goes too.;)

So in your opinion, what is better AA, or smoothvision. My old ?ATI Radeon 64mb DDR VIVO has FSAA (Haven't checked in awhile, to see if it uses smoothvision) and it limits the Resolution for 2x and 4x to 1208x1024x32. I think it uses Smoothvision, not sure loaned 9it to my uncle till he could buy a new card (so i'm usin his old GF2MX400 in my old comp)
Actually, an old question I had still is why my (and other) ATI 8500 128mb (retail not LE) support the awkward resolutions with smoothvision
on quality setting
2x = 1208x1024
3x = 800x600
4x = 1024x768
5x = 800x600
6x = 800x600

So why would a setting like 3x have a lower maximum resolution than 4x? :t

[AllGamer]

i use them all

when you use each of them on its own is just like using any nvidia card

but when you use

AA + SmoothVision + TrueForm = Amazing Graphics :D

it simply has no comparison man

even older games gets a boost of new life with them enabled

and new games looks even more real than ever when all of them are used in combos

in Dungeon Siege there are some nice Effects you see with the ATI but not with nvidia ;)

:t

[T-Bird]

I have a retail version 8500 for sale. Like new. Still have cables, manual, and original box.

Make me an offer.

64mb version. Was getting 9050 3D marks with an XP@1.53ghz.

[Kurylo]

Thank, you, T-Bird, but I can't realize how will the card be transferred to Ukraine. The cost of a transfer maybe will be bigger than a cost of a card I suppose :(...

[$1500-P4 gamer]

Originally posted by KraZy_SkitZy


So in your opinion, what is better AA, or smoothvision. My old ?ATI Radeon 64mb DDR VIVO has FSAA (Haven't checked in awhile, to see if it uses smoothvision) and it limits the Resolution for 2x and 4x to 1208x1024x32. I think it uses Smoothvision, not sure loaned 9it to my uncle till he could buy a new card (so i'm usin his old GF2MX400 in my old comp)
Actually, an old question I had still is why my (and other) ATI 8500 128mb (retail not LE) support the awkward resolutions with smoothvision
on quality setting
2x = 1208x1024
3x = 800x600
4x = 1024x768
5x = 800x600
6x = 800x600

So why would a setting like 3x have a lower maximum resolution than 4x? :t
Cause its a odd #? Dunno. But for the records my Built by ATI 8500LE 250/275 is the same way soo its the drivers NOT the card itself. Prob a limitation of the programing I would think.:t

[KraZy_SkitZy]

One thing that bugs me is, you'd think the 128mb 8500 would allow higher AA resolutions, over the 64mb 8500

[Kurylo]

BTW, I've read that ATI performs better with anisotropy but it has a worse image with the angles almost parallel to the view (i.e. a road itself in NFS). Can't post a link because I forgot it but even if I fint it almost noone could read it because it is made in Russian.
The referrer site as I remember was www.ixbt.com - the largest russian technical site (you need a Cyrillic codepage to view russian letters).

[NDD]

Digit-Life (http://www.digit-life.com/) is an English version of iXBT.

[Kurylo]

Originally posted by ND
Digit-Life (http://www.digit-life.com/) is an English version of iXBT.

Look at forum.ixbt.com and forum.digit-life.com. The first one is much more dynamic. But thanx for the info. Interesting one. ;)

[Rugor]

ATI changed their AF for the R300 series cores.

IF the budget allows you may want to look into the 9500 or 9500Pro.

[Kurylo]

Thanx. I'll see. BTW on that site I've found how to make 9500-->9700 resoldering only one resistor and flashing BIOS! That's may be interesting.