Overclocking a Ti4200 Card or not? [Archive]

dragflameson

01-02-2003, 05:42 PM

OK Well I got that RivaTuner, how do I use it? I am guessing that I go to "Power User" Tab and then what do I go to? There are:

RivaTuner 2.0 RC 12 \ Overclocking \ Global
-DisableClockTest
-MaxClockLimit
-RestoreClocksAfterSuspend
-ShowRoundedClks

RivaTuner 2.0 RC 12 \ Overclocking \ NVIDIA
-EnableDLLReset
-FMaxVCO
-FakeDDRWorkaround
-FakeDDRWorkaroundMaxClk
-FreezeMPLLM
-FreezeMPLLP
-FreezeNVPLLP
-LimitMPLLM
-LimitNVPLLM
-PostDisableVideoRefreshDelay
-UseMClkEarlyMatchCriteria
-UseNVClkEarlyMatchCriteria

RivaTuner 2.0 RC 12 \ Overclocking \ Current device
-CoreClk
-DefaultCoreClk
-DefaultMemClk
-DeviceString
-MemClk

Which do I go to and then how do I change it? Im guessing I use the Current Device one, but what do I know, Ive never done this before. Do I just set the value to 10 and then test it and then set it to 20 then text and then set to 30 and so on and so on? Thanks.

-Drag

Bigjakkstaffa

01-02-2003, 06:50 PM

Ah :eek:

where are you looking - no no no no :eek:

on the main page at the end of the bar saying 'detonator xp detecetd' theres a lil tab, click on that and then the picture of the gfx card that appear - the overclockign is done from there

--Jakk:t

dragflameson

01-02-2003, 07:15 PM

OHHHH LOL. Ok my bad. All that typing above for nothing, oh well. Ummm, now how do I set it up? Before I begin do I have to change any thing, check any boxes or uncheck any boxes or anythign like that under "Overclocking" "Compatibility" "AGP" or "Overlay" tabs?

1. Is all I have to do is check "Enable driver levelhardware overclocking" box under "Overclocking" tab and then reboot and then just go into that same page and adjust the core and memory clocks up by 10?

2. When I make the adjustments by 10 to the memory clock do I adjust the core clock at the same time, or do I adjust that after I max out the memory clock?

3. After making the adjustments instead of running a game for 5 minutes can I just run 3DMarks2001SE?

4. It is OK that I dont have any after market cooling hardware on the card, just the stock fan? I do have a PCI Slot fan right up against the top of the card (the side that has the blue fan on it) sucking air off of it and out the back of the case.

Thanks for all the help so far!

-Drag

Bigjakkstaffa

01-02-2003, 07:19 PM

1) Check both that and 'Apply overclockign at windows startup'

2)You can do em both at the same time yes

3)Yes - the 'matrix' test is the best one to watch for image tears etc

4)Im running with just stock. You'll get image distortion if its runnign too hot, so then you know to throttle back, it'll only go splat if you push the core way to high, hence i said go no higher than 30Mhz, with the ram once you push to far you get the image tears etc so you know to push back a bit :)

--Jakk:t

dragflameson

01-02-2003, 07:27 PM

OK :) So the only way I can reck this card (I CANNOT DO I HAVE NO MONEY AT ALL) is by pushing the core clock up too high and there is no way to tell you are pushing it too high until you fry it? What if you had a heat probe on it and could read its temps from the back of the card right behind the core? Just wondering right now for the future, I am not going to do this now, Ill just get it up to 30 if I can and no higher then that for the core clock. Thanks.

-Drag

causticVapor

01-03-2003, 06:13 AM

Just push the core and memory clocks up in 5MHz increments. If 3dmark locks up, then hit escape and wait. It'll crash to the desktop, and you can lower the core clock. Banding and off-colored textures with static in the screen means the memory is overclocked too high. Keep on adjusting the sliders until you get the highest speeds without stability problems, then loop 3DMARK for a few hrs just to make sure.

Some cards will go up to 320 on the core, others 310, and yet others only 285 :( As for memory, they will generally all go up to 600 before you get artifacts. (If the memory has heatsinks)

Personally, I'd start at 280/575 and work my way up from there. ;)

:t

dragflameson

01-03-2003, 07:20 AM

My last o/c was at 280 core and 497 memory. I stopped at 280 core because the manufactures setting was at 250 and Bigjakkstaffa said to go no higher then 30MHz on the core clock, can I go a lil higher by 5's on the core? And when I loop 23Mark2001 for a few hours, I dont have to watch it the whole time, do I? Thanks.

-Drag

causticVapor

01-03-2003, 07:32 AM

Yes, but you can go further, like about 5-20MHz. As for hte memory, did you start seeing artifacts at above 497? I'm sure it'll go up to at least 550 without problems on a Ti 4200 128MB.

Remember, if it locks up, no big deal, press escape and it'll exit out of 3dmark and lower the core down by 3MHz and the same procedure with the memory if you start seeing polygon errors. Hint -- Geforce cards seem to max out with trailing digits of 3 and 7.

Loop 3dmark for a few hours and check every few minutes. (BTW -- to do it click Edit -> options (From the menu bar) and in the dialog box given check looping. It'll always loop forever when that box is checked, and the repeat count only collates the tests (i.e. runs one for x times, then another for x times, instead of running every scene just once every loop.) To exit out of the loop when you feel satisfied, press escape during one of the tests, and not in a title screen. (BTW -- disabling title screens makes sure your hardware is stressed more consistently and is less work for your monitor if you're running 3dmark in a different color depth/resolution than your desktop is.) :t

causticVapor

01-03-2003, 07:46 AM

As for damaging your card -- don't worry, if you follow the above procedure, you'll hit the point where it'll lock up (core) and give artifacts (memory) WAY under the speed where damage might occur. For the Ti 4200 128mb, it is not recommended to go above 315 for the core, or 578 for the memory.:t

ED - I think Jakk meant 30 percent, not MHz. Nvidia recommends to go no higher than 30% on an overclock. (even though it'll take it, there's always a little bit of padding in the design :p )

:t

BiG MiKeY

01-03-2003, 09:20 AM

Nvidia recommends

cmon CV that bs when would a company allow their customers or atleast encourage ocing..... encourging them would eat into their future profits

causticVapor

01-03-2003, 10:31 AM

Nowhere do they advise ocing... they just state a 30%-over/under-normal maximum/minimum clock speed for the card without damage.

dragflameson

01-03-2003, 10:51 AM

LOL 30%... not 30MHz... I am such an idiot! I am going to start pushing the core clock up again by 5MHz along with the memory.

causticVapor - I havent gone above 497 memory clock yet, I will today, so I dont think I have seen any artifacts yet. What exactly do you mean by artifacts... image tears? Like what Bigjakkstaffa was talking about? My clock speeds are curently at 280MHz Core Clock and 497 Memory Clock. My 3D Marks are rising nicely also :)

And you could get after market heatsink for video cards right? Do you call them heatsinks for the video card, or are they called something else? LOL This may sound dumb, but I dont know too much about video cards yet. I am learning a lot though. I cant believe I am actually overclockin it!

What are the factory Core Clock speed and Memory Clock speed for the GeForce 4 Ti 4400 and 4600?

What kind of 3DMark Scores do the GeForce 4 Ti 4400 and 4600 get with the factory settings?

Thanks!
-Drag

Bigjakkstaffa

01-03-2003, 11:04 AM

Image tears the image looks cut and out of alignment.

As for heatsinks for videocards your probably better getting a watercooling block, personally i dont see the need though.

What card is it the 64mb or thr 128?

The memory on the 64 is actually rated at 555mhz but is run underclocked on all cards so you should definitley get well over 555mhz :)

As for me i run the core no father than 300Mhz as i cant afford to be forking out for new cards.

If memory serves:

ti4400 = 550/275
ti4600 = 650/300

As for 3d mark scores it depends upon the system in general rather than the gfx card solely

--Jakk:t

OpK Chowdy

01-03-2003, 11:19 AM

Since you said "little blue fan" i assume you have a Visiontek card. I have that same card :) we are brothers...sort of.

I OC'ed mine to 250mhz core/250mhz mem. Bleh. Only a 25mhz increase, but then again, the ram on the Visiontek is 4ns.

1000/4= 250*2=500

Had to be on the safe side. What is considered a "good overclock" for a ti4200 these days?

dragflameson

01-03-2003, 11:29 AM

Yeah it has a blue fan on the heatsink. The card I got is 128MB RAM.

OpK Chowdy - Your Ti 4200 core clock is 250MHz? And your memory clock speed is 250MHz also?

I am currently at 280 core and 497 memory clock speeds without any problems and will still be pushin later today.

-Drag

causticVapor

01-03-2003, 12:34 PM

OK to clarify, here's the list:

Ti 4200 128MB - 250 core / 444 mem
Ti 4200 64MB - 250 core / 500~514 mem
(the 128MB version uses higher latency memory/cost cutting)

Ti 4400 - 275 core / 550 mem
Ti 4600 - 300 core / 650 mem

Note that some cards come "stock overclocked" like the Gainwards. You have a vtek apparently, which is a good sign. :)

As for after market video card heatsinks, you can get the thermaltake copper cooler kit, but for the puny extra speed gain, it's not worth it, unless you know how to solder. Doing a voltage modification on your card has allowed some to reach insane speeds of 350/660! Beware, though, that the card's lifetime will be shortened with this method, and you need very good cooling in order for it to work.

The term "Image tears" can be confusing -- if you see the screen flicker with choppiness during fast action like paper being brought afront on a legal pad, that's because vsynch is disabled, and the framerate exceeds the monitor's refresh rate, thus causing the video card to paint a new frame before the monitor's has finished displaying the old one. Vsych limits the graphics card's framerate to the monitor's refresh rate so that the image does not break up.

Artifacts can be polygon errors, such as missing or flickering facets, discolored surfaces, or dots on the screen where they don't belong, static "snow" banding across the screen and so on. They are not harmful, just irritating, and due to the fact that the memory chips' transistors cannot switch reliably at that speed, creating errors. But since those errors only influence the graphics card, and all the graphics card does for the most part is send information processed information to the monitor, it shouldn't interfere with the system.

Now if the core is locked up, the entire system has the potential to hang. Generally the CPU gets confused when the graphics card is not responding. Nvidia seems to have implemented a throttling feature in their newer drivers that shuts down the core until its errors are worked out and then restarts it again a few seconds later. During this freeze period you can exit out of the program in a protected-kernel OS like XP and lower the clock. Note that at a certain core speed, the drivers can only compensate for so long and left to its own the nvidia drivers will cut off the graphics card from windows entirely, giving it a BSOD (failed device error).

Note that unless done for extensive periods of time, over-overclocking will not damage the card.

Stock 3dmark scores for the Ti 4400 and 4600 are about 11000 and 12000 with a 1.8GHz Athlon CPU, respectively. A "good overclock" for a Ti 4200 with 4ns memory (OpK mentioned) would be 315/620. For 4.5ns memory (which runs at 444MHz stock), a good overclock would be 315/600. Most people get around 290/594 for 4ns, and 290/575 for 4.5ns. Remember, these numbers are not far away from those of a Ti 4600. And the noticeable performance difference would be nil.

Your overclocking endeavour will definitely lead you to success. Higher framerates can be had with more eye candy turned on! And you can stave off obsolescence for quite a while longer. ;)

omega31

01-03-2003, 07:54 PM

OK to clarify, here's the list:

Ti 4200 128MB - 250 core / 444 mem
Ti 4200 64MB - 250 core / 500~514 mem
(the 128MB version uses higher latency memory/cost cutting)

Ti 4400 - 275 core / 275 mem
Ti 4600 - 300 core / 650 mem
On Ti 4400: the memory is right, as that is the actual memory speed, but since it, like the other geforce4 models above, uses DDR memory, the speed is effectively doubled, so the memory is at 550.

dragflameson

01-03-2003, 11:17 PM

So if the factory settings for the GeForce4 Ti 4600 are 300MHz core clock and 650MHz memory clock I will never be able to get my clocks on my Ti 4200 up to those speeds. I did not got anything done with my computer today, but deffently tomorrow I will push it a little more, so I am still curently at 280MHz core clock and 497MHz which would make my card faster then the Ti 4400, right? Thanks.

-Drag

causticVapor

01-04-2003, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by omega31

On Ti 4400: the memory is right, as that is the actual memory speed, but since it, like the other geforce4 models above, uses DDR memory, the speed is effectively doubled, so the memory is at 550.

Right. I was typing a bit fast there. ;)

dragflameson

01-04-2003, 11:04 AM

Overclocking Results so far...

My GeForce4 Ti 4200 Factory Settings:

250MHz core clock
446MHz memory clock
9935 3D marks

Beginning of overclocking:

1. 260MHz core clock
456MHz memory clock
10106 3D marks

2. 270MHz core clock
456MHz memory clock
10238 3D marks

3. 280MHz core clock
476MHZ memory clock
10301 3D marks

4. 280MHz core clock
486MHz memory clock
10384 3D marks

5. 280MHz core clock
496MHz memory clock
10465 3D marks

6. 285MHz core clock
506MHz memory clock
10450 3D marks
Anyone know why my score fell here? I not only increased memory but this was where I also boosted up core clock again by 5 also.

7. 290MHz core clock
516MHz memory clock
10566 3D marks

So thats where I am now... how's it look so far? Am I doing everything right? I have not ran 3DMark2001SE for longer then 1 benchmark inbetween each o/c yet, but I havent seen any image tears yet either. Thanks.

-Drag

causticVapor

01-04-2003, 11:14 AM

Push it more. Based on what you're getting, it looks like you'll hit 300 core and 550 mem (at least) without lockups or artifacts, respectively. :t

By the way, 3dmark scores can fluctuate by 10-200 points, so do not use them as an absolute metric. Trust me, the performance gain is linear. ;)

dragflameson

01-04-2003, 11:40 AM

Alright, thats what I was thinking because when I fisrt got 3DMarks I was fooling around with it before I was ever even thinking about o/c'ing my video card and I ran it a coupel of times with the factory settings. One time it was the 9935, another time it was 9096, another time it was 9117, after I installed the NVIDIA drivers it was 9992, when I turned the vertical sync setting off it was 10031 (that setting is off now by the way). So yeah I had written all these down so it deffently does seem like it fluctuates a lot.

I will keep on pushin it... when do I run 3DMarks for a while? Isnt there a time when I should run it for an hour or two just to make sure it is really stable? And I am doing everything right so far? Thanks.

-Drag

dragflameson

01-04-2003, 05:29 PM

OK, Should I stop now...

I am at:

300MHz core clock
556MHz memory clock

3DMark2001 SE score = 10771

(this is a good score for an o/c'ed Ti 4200 or not?)

I think when I turn the vertical sync (v_sync) option off that score will jump up some.

I really do NOT want to burn my card out or have it **** out in a week... Am I safe to keep pushing it, Should I stop here, or Should I turn it back some? Thanks.

-Drag

P.S. - I benchmarked it (obviously) and I just got done playing a couple of hours of counter-strike (I can snipe great now!) non-stop without any problems.

Bigjakkstaffa

01-04-2003, 06:15 PM

You can probably get the memory slightly higher but id be hapy enough with the core

--Jakk:t

Bigjakkstaffa

01-04-2003, 06:16 PM

Forgot you were on the 128mb - that overclock sounds about right to me - nevermind

--Jakk:t

dragflameson

01-04-2003, 07:45 PM

OK Then :) So now if I always run it overclocked how much longer is it going to last ABOUT compared to if I did not overclock it? And how does this Ti 4200 compare to other cards now like the ATIs and Ti 44 and 4600's? Thanks.

-Drag

morpheus kain

01-04-2003, 08:53 PM

Just compare the core clocks to the other Nvidia GF4 cards. When it comes the almighty 9700 you don't stand a chance. The Radeon 9700pro is an absolute BEAST!!!

dragflameson

01-04-2003, 11:42 PM

OK, but does anyone know if I always run it overclocked about how much longer is it going to last compared to if I did not overclock it? I dont want to work my card to an early death... I still want it to last. Thanks.

-Drag

Someone Stupid

01-04-2003, 11:49 PM

And the 9700RPO cost exactly how much more? Exactly.

SpaceBz

01-04-2003, 11:56 PM

Drag,

I'm sure you can push the card a little further. I run mine at 310/615 for everday use, and it doesn't even complain. It can do more too when I bench it. Course, I do have the 64MB version and mine is a Leadtek as opposed to Visiontek, so don't try more than your card an take. Running 320/620 I can pull 12K in 3DMark2k1SE w/ an Athlon XP 2100+. I would try more out of the core, since the 64MB and 128 share that at least. I'm sure your setup can get there as well (pointswise that is) but you may try elsewhere to find some of those extra points. Do you defrag your hard drive before each run, and make sure you clean out any memory resident apps? What about BIOS tweaking? There are several good guides out there for that, and you can turn up plenty on a google search. Just keep trying things. I got so obsessed about my box's performance that I use no background image, and I even disabled the Windows XP Startup screen. As far as lifespan is concerned, you are taking a chunk out of the time your card COULD last, and making it perform better in the present. Personally I think the benefits outweigh the risk, seeing as your card will last long enough to be obsolete and replaceable anyways.

Good luck...

dragflameson

01-05-2003, 12:01 AM

What are the programs that I NEED to keep running, because under processes I got a bunch listed, and I know I can get end task some of them, but I dont want to stop the wrong ones!

And I get the memory part, but when you say the 64 and 128 share the core... I dont understand that. I guess I really dont know what the core is, or what it does. Its like the CPU in a way?

Thanks,
-Drag

SpaceBz

01-05-2003, 02:34 AM

You are correct in that the core is sort of the CPU. It is the processor, but since it is on a graphics board its called a GPU, or graphics processing unit. What I was referring to is simply that the 128 and 64MB versions have the same default core speed, so their O/C numbers might be similar. When i close processes, I usually just close ones that are obviously not necessary and that I can identify. You are right to be cautious because if you close the wrong process your computer will restart. One way to cut back on some of these processes is to go to start>run> type msconfig, go to the startup tab, and unselect everything. This way, these processes won't start in the first place. It can also be beneficial, though some people call this cheating, to lower the Level-of-detail bias on the advanced display options. Check around, there are plenty of guides on the internet.

dragflameson

01-05-2003, 03:11 AM

LOL, Thanks SpaceBz, ill post an updated 3DMark score after I do all this :)

-Drag

3DGuy

01-05-2003, 04:19 AM

Hey guys I'm actually interested in this thread since I will buy a new Inno3D GeForce 4 Ti4200 64MB card, since I saw alot of reviews in this card, I've convinced myself to buy it, the price is great and performance is great also, I saw it in alot of review sites with awards and 5/5 scores.

And actually this card can go up to 305/610 when overclocked, the reviewer says its almost a GF4Ti4600 with half the price.

But I have this questions:

Overclocking needs the correct cooling right? What if I only leave the card and overclock it with standard cooling (the fan that comes with it) would it be dangerous or not recommended? If that's the case what are the the things that I need to buy? Ramsinks? etc..

And also please explain me those "special" cooling things which I don't know, like Ramsink, memsink.. ? I really don't know those thingies. I saw some overclocking sites that they put little heatsinks on the memory modules of the video card. How do I do that?

Thanks

BTW, here are the review sites on Inno3D's GeForce 4 Ti4200 64MB card, it's pretty impressive check it out.

http://www.ivmm.com/inno3d/review/tweakers_asylum_gf4_ti_4200_64mb_1.html

http://www.inno3d.com/review/planetsavage_gf4_ti_4200_1.html

Note: The Inno3D GeForce4 Ti4200 64MB card runs on 3.6ns DDR SDRAMs!!

Bigjakkstaffa

01-05-2003, 09:16 AM

Just compare the core clocks to the other Nvidia GF4 cards. When it comes the almighty 9700 you don't stand a chance. The Radeon 9700pro is an absolute BEAST!!!

Albeit plagued by bugs in many games

--Jakk:t

dragflameson

01-05-2003, 12:06 PM

3DGuy,
As you can see, if you read all this, I overclocked my Ti 4200 with the stock cooling system on it.
To answer your question: What if I only leave the card and overclock it with standard cooling (the fan that comes with it) would it be dangerous or not recommended?
What I found (someone correct me if Im wrong) is that you can indeed o/c with its stock heatsink, but after each increase you have to test by either benchmarking or playing a game for 5 or 10 minutes just to get the card warmed up. You just keep pushing up and testing each time after until you see image tears inyour test, when you see them you just turn the core and memory clocks back 15MHz (if you were increasing at intervals of 10MHz each time) and thats it.
When you see thoes image tears it only means your card is running too hot. So if you went crazy with after market cooling for your video card then you would just be able to o/c it a little higher before you saw image tears because it would be able to run a little cooler then the stock cooling system.
Hope that helped you.

-Drag

morpheus kain

01-05-2003, 12:50 PM

Albeit plagued by bugs in many games
Gimme a link or something that talks about that I'm interested.

Bigjakkstaffa

01-05-2003, 12:52 PM

Any Ut2k3 technical site, R9700's have quite a lot of problems with that game :(

Having said that, despite me having hated Ati in the past for those god awful Rage Pro cards im veerign towards them for the future

--Jakk:t

morpheus kain

01-05-2003, 02:03 PM

Sounds more like a problem with some poor code to me...

Bigjakkstaffa

01-05-2003, 02:10 PM

I dare say it is, state games are in today

However you can always blame it on the code and say your hardwares great, but at the end of the day - you still cant play it can you :(

--Jakk:t

morpheus kain

01-05-2003, 08:33 PM

Software problems are a HELL of a lot easier to fix than hardware issues.

Foss

01-06-2003, 12:47 AM

I have a PNY Ge4 ti4200 64mb and a couple of questions. First, i have mine oc'ed to about 310/560 (stock 250/500) and it seems to run fine; however the core will lock up at above 320 but I am not sure about the memory clock. Should I push the memory speed? If so, how will I know when I have hit the ceiling? Also, what is a good oc for the video card with stock cooling? Thanks for any help.

morpheus kain

01-06-2003, 03:15 PM

310 is a very nice core overclock don't push it any harder. As for the memory, yeah push that until you start to get artifacts. (graphical glitches)

CRexlz

02-23-2003, 03:26 PM

When I raise both the core settings my Mark3d score decreases. Whats wrong with my computer?!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I have tryed messing with some of the settings to no avail.
HELP!

umageddon

02-27-2003, 03:30 AM

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
Any Ut2k3 technical site, R9700's have quite a lot of problems with that game :(
--Jakk:t

i was just browsing the board and i noticed this little comment... why is it that people, many who havnt even touched an ATi board, find all of these "problems" and technical issues in their drivers and hardware, etc.
I think these people are misinformed and lazy with their opinions. ATi has made huge strides since the Rage series of cards.
Look at their track record as of the last 6 months or so (and the next 9)... looks good to me.

Just an opinion. :cool:

BiG MiKeY

02-27-2003, 04:39 AM

yes they are now fine ..... but when the statement was made wich was over a month and half ago they werent.... they were in need of some major work.....

Bigjakkstaffa

02-27-2003, 11:06 AM

yes they are now fine ..... but when the statement was made wich was over a month and half ago they werent....

Thanks for the defence. If you would care to visit the Infogrammes tech forums you will find in the early days there were a lot of R9700 issues.. now however isnt the early days and with better driver and patch support all seems okay. As it is now the r9500 and r9700 are top of the pile

--Jakk:t

b101010b

02-27-2003, 03:03 PM

I know im off the subject but my gf4 mx440 is ocd from core 270 to 320 with no problems.

bblqj78

02-28-2003, 07:38 AM

I am currentlt running my Leadtek 64Mb ti4200 at 290Core....594 memeory...and really had no problems as such..

Allthough...what do u guys mean when you say inamge tears..?
I tend to get that at some higher resolutions if tehere is a lot of movement on the screen.......even when my card is used at the default settings..? Am I burning out the card or anything like that..?

Cheers
:r

SirRaven

03-02-2003, 12:07 AM

i agree w/ bbl....what do u mean by image tears?

ever since my old computer w/ my voodoo5, more demanding games of the time always cause image tears....(u see a slight line distorting the image when u move the pov slowly, yet when u go wacko crazy no problems)

this happened to me especially in ut2k3, when i had my card totally stock 249/513...if these are the image tears u speak of, every game shows em regardless of oc, so those can't be a good way of deciding too hot or not....unless u mean image tearing w/o moving at all, the screen is just goin haywire on u

Bigjakkstaffa

03-02-2003, 11:44 AM

Image tears, the image looking disjointed, ie if you were to look at a wall in a game and the textures lookes mismatched or out of place, can happen normaly, but if it looks really bad then you know its a result of o/c

--Jakk:t

nimh

03-03-2003, 05:40 PM

this is my specs

Intel P4 2.53GHz 533MHz
Gigabyte GA-8PE667 Ultra
512MB DDR 333 PC2700 Ram
GeForce4 Ti4200 128MB

got a 10930 3dmark2001se score

no overclocking no nothing...ran the 4 game tests

is this ok?

nimh

03-04-2003, 06:31 AM

i've just started pusing the core and memory up by ten units and then doing the 4 game test on 3dmark2001 se

i've reached 290 core and 485 memory and my result is 11616
is this ok?

Bigjakkstaffa

need some advice...what to do more? continue?

do i leave it overclocked when i am just normally using my computer not playing just on the desktop browsing the net or using office or do i switch to default settings? or it doesnt matter?

nimh

03-04-2003, 07:35 AM

also,

overclockers nz say maximum is 320 core 540 memory
the card is Chaintech GeForce 4 Ti4200

http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/vga/chaintechti4200/2.shtml

"Overclocking

Overclocking is carried out with default cooling.

The highest working speed is 320Core/540Memory. I was not able to push the any higher without random lock ups. "

anyone have a similar card and has experiences overclocking it?
is above statement valid?

bblqj78

03-04-2003, 08:41 AM

Hey Nimh

I am runing much the same system....p4 2.4, Asus 4B533-V Mobo, 512 2700 Ram, Leadtek GF4 Ti 4200 64Mb

when i run standrd test with no clocking I am getting about 11000...default setting for card are 250 & 513. When I clock my graphics card to 290 & 594 I am getting 11900 in 3DMark2001. If I raise my P4 to run at 140Mhz (processor speed running at 2.53Ghz) and graphics card clocked as above I benchmark at around 12800. It looks like your sepcs are a liitle higher than mine allthough you are clocking a lot less.....push the graphics to the max (keep it safe though).

Hey Bigjakkstaffa...do u know hwy I am benching higher than Nimh with a slightler lower overall spec...? Anyone else got any comments..?
I think I am getting pretty high with what I have.....can I go higher..?

x51out

03-04-2003, 09:38 AM

Hey nimh, I have a Chaintech GeForce4Ti4200/128 (A-GT21) too. The highest oc was HERE. (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5233440) . So it mite be something else about your system.:confused:

Bigjakkstaffa

03-04-2003, 09:50 AM

I leave my card o/c'ed all of the time, much easier for me as im too lazy to mess about with my clock settings everytime i wanna play a game

--Jakk:t

x51out

03-04-2003, 09:58 AM

Persoanlly, I run it all at stock speeds and only oc as needed, which is not very often. By the way, nimh. HERE (http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=review&dId=333&dPage=1) is another review, even there it says your card was oc'ed much higher than in the article link you supplied. And HERE (http://www.octools.com/index.cgi?caller=articles/gt21/ti4200_1.htm) is another one. Good luck :t

nimh

03-04-2003, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by x51out
Hey nimh, I have a Chaintech GeForce4Ti4200/128 (A-GT21) too. The highest oc was HERE. (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5233440) . So it mite be something else about your system.:confused:

did i say something was wrong with my system? x51out, i was just asking about this card and how i can i go on it with stock cooling...i dont intend to mess around with custom cooling and stuff...i do have one of those cases with fans on the side and 1 on the top

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6082224

that is at 290 core and 485 memory...as compared to your bench it's higher

nimh

03-04-2003, 01:50 PM

bblqj78, your card is a 64mb one...default of 250 core and 512 memory as you say

the 128mb ti4200 of mine is default of 250 and 444...thats the major reason

i just tryed 300 core and 510 memory and got an 11839 score

i dont play with my bus and processor at all...i am still new to this

Originally posted by bblqj78
Hey Nimh

I am runing much the same system....p4 2.4, Asus 4B533-V Mobo, 512 2700 Ram, Leadtek GF4 Ti 4200 64Mb

when i run standrd test with no clocking I am getting about 11000...default setting for card are 250 & 513. When I clock my graphics card to 290 & 594 I am getting 11900 in 3DMark2001. If I raise my P4 to run at 140Mhz (processor speed running at 2.53Ghz) and graphics card clocked as above I benchmark at around 12800. It looks like your sepcs are a liitle higher than mine allthough you are clocking a lot less.....push the graphics to the max (keep it safe though).

Hey Bigjakkstaffa...do u know hwy I am benching higher than Nimh with a slightler lower overall spec...? Anyone else got any comments..?
I think I am getting pretty high with what I have.....can I go higher..?

x51out

03-04-2003, 02:21 PM

I re-read yer posts... and I guess you didn't mention anything wrong with your system... so I don't know where the heck I got that from. So sorry. :t
You could easily set it to 275/550 with NO problems, I can, and I can run it all day like that. Pushing the core up is apparently not as important as pushing the memory.

Tom2425

03-31-2003, 09:39 PM

Just thought I would thank you guys, I'm new to overclocking video cards but have learned much from just reading your Q & A's.

Anyway... I have a BFG Tech Ti4200 128 ddr and am successfully clocking it up to around 300/550. The only problem I'm having is that when I boot up my computer a "test screen" appears and then I have to reset, sometimes I have to do this 3 or 4 times before I boot up properly. I updated all my drivers, checked my bios settings, tried reseating my card, reset all speeds back to default nothing seems to help. Other than that it is running fine. Any advice? Thanks , TK

x51out

03-31-2003, 10:48 PM

A test screen?? As in monitor test screen? Most problems with computers are software related, but something like you vaguely describe actually sounds like an insufficient power supply. What make and model PSU are you running? And while we're at it, how about the motherboard and video card make and model number also. You shouldn't have to put up with that **** just to boot up... we'll get you squared away ;)
Oh and by the way: WELCOME TO SYSOPT! Those that enter here rejoice, you will find an answer to every question!
To get better exposure, you should post a NEW thread in, I'd say, the GENERAL section, it mite get moved, but at least you will get MUCH better exposure and help.