Windoze XP Great O/S !!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!

[xenomorph69]

I have Got Problems here. I would have posted in the Gaming thread. However, I feel that is not the place to post this Question.

Everytime I have Running a Processor intensive Application Radiant, UnrealED, a game (Quake III, Serious Sam, Unreal Tournament, UT2003, RTCW, etc etc etc) It does not matter, The System will just Decide to reboot. I am at a loss here guys I noticed in the msconfig that there are dumpreps, Here is what I have Done to Try and Resolve this.
1) Disabled a everything in msconfig
2) Disabled Error Reporting and minidumps in Startup and Recovery options
3) Ran a System File Checker (sfc /scannow)
4) Changed Video Cards (Nvidia, Ati Radeon)
5) Updated all the Drivers
6)Windows update
7)Took the Side Panel Off my Case
8)Put a Fan to blow Cool air in the Comp Case (Thinking of Overheating Probs)
9) Cleaned out all *.tmp Files
10) chkdsk has been done
11) Defrag has been Done

Still Just wants to reboot while in a game :confused:


Any Suggestions Before I Turf this WONDERFUL Operating System? :mad:


Thanks In advance

P.S. This is My Wifes Computer , My Comp Will not Run UT2003 not enough Juice.

anyway the system is a 1Ghz Athlon (Morgan Core) 512 MB 133 Ram

So there is plenty of Juice to Run these apps and Games

[Steve R Jones]

Faulty power supply or not enough power supply is a common cause for reboots. Might try unplugging everything you can to see if it makes any difference.

[BipolarBill]

Your thread subject is ill-advised. WinXP is a great OS. Either your PC is misconfigured or it has **** hardware.

Your subject should read "I can't set up WinXP because I don't know how".

[BipolarBill]

BTW -

Control Panel > System > Advanced > Startup and Recovery.

Untick "Automatically restart" and set memory dump to None.

Hopefully, you'll get a blue-screen error with a message next time.

[rangeral]

Bill your so tactful, I can imagine your next reply "we gotta nukem and we gotta nukem now", lol. Your killing me.:D :D

[BipolarBill]

Duke Nukem is my hero!

I'm just tired of people fixing blame everywhere but where it belongs. We buy the cheapest stuff we can and then expect super-performance. The fact is that you can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. :(

[rangeral]

Agreed but I'm still laughing and I can't get up.:D

[jmichna]

Besides power supply, overheating can be an issue. What are your case/mobo and cpu temp readings? Is the cpu fan working? Does your cpu heatsink need to have dust blowout?

If you could post detailed harwdare info, incl the make and size of your power supply, that would help see if if lack of "juice" (as in electric current) is the issue. What are your 3.3, 5.0 and 12.0V readings like? How about when you are running the problematic games?

[Bigjakkstaffa]

I think he's got heat covered by the extra fans.. does this onyl happen in XP - how about other MS OS? -- if its onyl XP guess what im gonna say - go to another OS, XP looks far too 'fluffy' for my liking anyhows :D

--Jakk:t

[Sterling_Aug]

Originally posted by rangeral
"we gotta nukem and we gotta nukem now.

My sentiments precisely. The USA could use a few good parking lots in the Middle East and South East Asia.

[bushmaster]

Sounds more like a piece of your hardware is falling short when it's being asked to put out. maybe you wanna post some sys specs to give people a better idea of whats beings asked to run UT2003.
You could have all sorts of air blowing in and out of your case. But if the HSF isnt making proper contact it's all for nill.

[xenomorph69]

OK Here we go


CPU 1Ghz Athlon (Morgon Core)
Ram 512 MB 133Mhz FSB (Kingston)
Video Card(s) Nvidia G Force 2 (mx 200) 32 MB
ATI Radeon VE Using Catalyst 2.5 Drivers
Windows XP

Fans Antec Fans
Heatsink for CPU Crystal Orb
Motherboard Giga-Byte (Not sure of the model)
Maxtor 80 GB 7200 HDD
2x Samsung 950b 19 Inch Montors
Mid size Case With 300w Power Supply
Creative Soundblaster 16
Realtek NIC
Windows XP With Service Pack 1
Also With Extras M130 Palm
and HP Deskjet 5550 Printer

Not much to look at However Enough Juice to do Applications and UT2003 or Serious Sam ro RTCW and Quake III 1.32b

[Tick]

I can see two potential problems you need to address....

Video Card(s) Nvidia G Force 2 (mx 200) 32 MB
ATI Radeon VE Using Catalyst 2.5 Drivers


Get a real card. MY G3 Ti200 out peforms those two and can be had for 90.00 on NEWEGG.COM....

Next the Heatsink for CPU Crystal Orb, I have seen alot of bad reviews on this product! Are you useing the thermal tape that came with it? Scrape that **** off and use a good paste IE: Artic Silver.

Update your Vid card and get a better HS/fan w/ a good paste!

Your restarts are hadware related they have nothing to do with the OS. By far XP is the most stable M$ OS out there. If you dont like the Fisher Price look you can have it look like 2k if you wish!

Tick

[xenomorph69]

Your restarts are hadware related they have nothing to do with the OS. By far XP is the most stable M$ OS out there. If you dont like the Fisher Price look you can have it look like 2k if you wish!

Yes it does not do this in any other Operating system Just XP Pro

All temps check out fine
I have Unplugged the Printer and the Palm as well and still the same thing

I do Not have Both Vids running at the same time I took one out and tried the Other and vice versa Still the same thing
there are No Error Messages upon reboot either which is really wierd

It is Just not games either Anything that is Processor intensive will Maybe Reboot the machine from a Virus Scan to Compiling in C or C++ to Jasc Paint shop pro I even did the Online Virus scan from http://housecall.antivirus.com and it decided to reboot then . and there were no Viruses found

[BipolarBill]

I would recommend a fresh power supply, www.memtest86.com and new motherboard drivers (in reverse order). ;)

[ngc457]

Look at this article on power supplies and read it 5 times http://firingsquad.gamers.com/guides/power_supply/ Best **** article on power supplies I have ever read.

When I first built my computer I had the same problems. Every time I played a game it would crash. I change bios settings and installed other graphics cards and it still crashed. I had a cheap $26 case that came with a 350w power supply. The power supply was brand new plus 350w. Should work right. Wrong! not enough amps on the 12v rail to support my system. So I went out and bought an Antec 400w and the problem was instantly solved. I am not sure if your CPU is on the 12v or 5v rail. Find that out and run some calculations.

I looked for the real solution instead of blaming Windows XP like 99% of others do. I am tired of people blaming Windows for every single **** thing. Oh another thing I hate is people spelling MS as M$. It is MS MS MS MS MS MS MS MS MS MS!!!! MS Windows XP is the best **** OS there is period. It blows away even Linux. MS Windows is more stable, works with more hardware like my high end film scanner and I can run something called software that does something instead of 20 year garbage Linux runs.

If your system reboots look at power supply, heating, drivers (drivers are drivers not the OS some nuts confuse the 2), ram, hard drive, bios settings, mobo, graphics card, other hardware and if all else fails look at the OS. 99.99% of auto reboots is hardware not XP got that! Sorry for that I am tired of XP bashing.

[ukulele]

XP has just as many issues as the rest of Windows apps and on the down side, it has forced activation. It is, like any OS, only as stable as the hardware and drivers it is running and the skill of the operator behind the wheel. Personally I like FAT 32 which Win98 is right at home with. If XP is so great why are there so many posts on crashed XP systems here?

[bushmaster]

It's not Linux that can't run newer hardware, it's user's that can't configure Linux to run on newer hardware.
I'm running mandrake 9.0 on an MSI 6398e mobo, with a P4 2.26 Ghz proc, 1024Mb ddr ram, Ti4200 vid card, sony 40x burner, viewsonic 22" monitor, 2 80gig maxtor 7200/133 HDD's, turtle beach santa cruz sound card, linksys LNE100TX nic, to a linsys router, broadband connection, USB keyboard, logitech trackman wheel mouse. And I dual boot to XP pro. Quite frankly I boot to XP less and less as I learn more about Linux and what it is capable of doing.
As of now with the newer kernel, Linux recognizes all of my components, and has yet to crash or lock up or cause any other problems. And you can't beat the price of the OS itself or any of it's available suites and apps.
Now don't take me the wrong way I think XP is by far the most stable MS OS to date, and I use it. But the direction M$ is taking in the OS business is starting to leave a rancid taste in the mouths of user's and businesses alike. I for one don't appreciate it reporting back to MS what I'm doing on "MY" pc or it reserving 20% of the bandwidth I pay for to do so. Now I know how to disable these wonderful features. But the less savy user is left to stand with their nards swinging in the open breeze for the folks at M$ to see.

Linux takes alot of learning and patience. But the rewards are great for the efforts put into it.

[BipolarBill]

Originally posted by ukulele
If XP is so great why are there so many posts on crashed XP systems here? Probably because no one pays attention to minimum requirements. A newer BIOS is one of them. Do people update the BIOS on their 4-year old PCs before installing? Generally, no. If their motherboard has no BIOS updates of recent issue, do they let that stop them? No. Do any of them know what Event Viewer is and where to find it? No. There's a learning curve to negotiate here. XP is not a toy. When it blue-screens, it's serious - a reboot won't fix it.

Every XP system I've installed has worked flawlessly. I wish that I could come close to saying the same for any other MS OS - including and especially Win2K.

[ukulele]

Well, if it won't work right on older systems or hardware then what you say is only relevant on newer systems. Next you'll suggest dumping all the older stuff just to keep up with the OS. I paid good money for my apps and hardware so I use an OS that will work with it. Sure I could throw half this stuff out so I can run XP, but in reality I would just discover new problems and spend a lot more money on stuff that doesn't do any more then the older stuff. That you can bet on.

[ngc457]

Linux will not work with my high end film scanner because there are no Linux drivers for it either created by the manufacture or a third party Linux hobbiest. If there was it still is useless because GIMP won't even read the files it creates. I scan negatives and slides at 16bit per channel in LAB color. GIMP can't touch that but PhotoShop can. There are also no alternatives for Dreamweaver, Flash MX (the authoring software not the viewer), Imageready, After Effects, Pagemaker, Quark Express, InDesign, Freehand and countless and countless and countless other do something software. Look at one of my favorite programs SkyTools www.skyhound.com a review of it at http://www.knoxvilleobservers.org/beginner/skytoolsreview.htm where is the Linux alternative to that. What about top quality as in better then take you back 20 years garbage Linux has educational software for children.
Linux is about as useful as a tit on a bull where as MS Windows XP (notice the correct spelling which some can't get right. $ is not the same as an S and ze is not = to ws) is useful to all.

Back on topic look at the hardware not XP.

[ngc457]

Ukulele bipolarbill was saying most problems are 4 year old bios not being updated. BIOS updates are like free.

[bushmaster]

And the brand and model of your high end scanner would be ?

[ngc457]

Minolta DiMAGE Scan Multi Pro, 4800 dpi, 35mm/medium format with firewire

[rangeral]

From what I've read it takes more machines and manpower in the corporate world to setup and keep running a linux system than it does an ms based system such as server, IIS, etc. The cost is much more than an ms based system which is cheaper to run and maintain.

[bushmaster]

have you tried using Kooka with the SANE library. I know SANE does support the Dimage film scanner.
Don't take me wrong I'm just trying to be helpful, not argumentitive.
I think as time goes by and Linux gains favor in the market place more and more hardware manufacturers will have linux drivers.

[Asonic]

I think i have spotted the problem.........

the ThermalTake CrystalOrb is not a CPU cooler, its a GPU/Northbridge cooler!!!!!

http://www.thermaltake.com/products/chipset/crystalOrb.htm

[Asonic]

Originally posted by bushmaster
I for one don't appreciate it reporting back to MS what I'm doing on "MY" pc or it reserving 20% of the bandwidth I pay for to do so. Now I know how to disable these wonderful features. But the less savy user is left to stand with their nards swinging in the open breeze for the folks at M$ to see.



bushmaster, do you have a link to that info about disabling the M$ spyware please?

[bushmaster]

Well yes a chipset cooler on a cpu wouldnt make for a system that runs all that well.

this (http://www.ttmicro.com/services.htm)

[BipolarBill]

It's for both.

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=N82E16835116003

http://www.thermaltake.com/products/chipset/crystalOrb.htm

CRYSTAL ORB FOR VGA CARD COOLING

Application for GeForce 2 Series, GeForce 3 Series, GeForce 4 MX Series Video Card & Chipset

[BipolarBill]

Originally posted by Asonic

Bushmaster, do you have a link to that info about disabling the M$ spyware please? He's paranoid - pay him no mind. Don't feed the animals!

[bushmaster]

He's paranoid - pay him no mind. Don't feed the animals!
But I tell ya Bill the tinfoil on my head keeps Mr. Gates from stealing my brainwaves.

But seriously if your running a firewall other than XP's built in one, you'll see that everytime you play a media file or do a search on your own pc for any files, windows will try to phone home. Yes or No ?.

[Bigjakkstaffa]

if your running a firewall other than XP's built in one, you'll see that everytime you play a media file or do a search on your own pc for any files, windows will try to phone home. Yes or No ?.

It sure do

--Jakk:t

[Asonic]

Tinfoil hat now there is a good idea

Thanks guys:)

[Beeblequix]

I had similar issues with seemingly random reboots. It turned out to be my northbridge chipset fan (sometimes it wouldn't spin thus overheating). It happened regardless of the fact I had at least 6 fans blowing inside. Reverify that your fans on CPU, GPU, and chipset are all functioning, that no wierd noises or wierd lack of noises are present/absent.

ß

[cdroman]

Originally posted by Beeblequix
I had similar issues with seemingly random reboots. It turned out to be my northbridge chipset fan (sometimes it wouldn't spin thus overheating). It happened regardless of the fact I had at least 6 fans blowing inside. Reverify that your fans on CPU, GPU, and chipset are all functioning, that no wierd noises or wierd lack of noises are present/absent.

ß

The zalman northbridge heatsink will solve that problem(without a fan), it did for me.

[free88]

xenomorph69,

I agree with most of the postings thus far. Yes, a PSU can cause your gripe. BUT, your system set-up does not appear to be sooo power-hungry that an under-power situation at load is likely. I have a P4-2000Mhz(northwood) setup with 5 fans, Tt7+, High performance HDD, G3 Ti-200 128MB, SB Live5.1, 2-cd drives, CC lite, and 8 USB devices that draws 301W at max. Your system isnt anywhere near this level of power draw. A 300W PSU should be adequate for your usage(assuming no overclocking). If your PSU is deffective, however, then it could be your problem.

One way to check is using a "known" good PSU for testing.

Another way-Unplug un-neccesary gear, and re-create previous fault conditions. In other words, unplug those "extra" case fans and other case gadgets, and re-check to see if problem persists. If you still have problem, then unplug an extra cd drive(if you have), or other non-essential gear, and re-check. Your goal is to put the least strain possible on the PSU, and run CPU/system at full load(like gaming). Remember, some so-called 300W PSU's are actually only capable of 80% of max sustained. So, a generic 300W max PSU, would only put out 240W max continuously(give or take). If, upon removing the "extra" gear, your systems runs fine, then you know its a PSU problem. Or, it could be another device you have removed for troubleshooting. Either way, you will narrow the possibilitys.

If, none of this helps, then your PSU is not likely the problem. It could be other issue, like a device failure(video card, sound card, etc.). Or, it could be a compatibility problem. XP is pretty good at recognizing incompatible hardware/drivers, so its most likely a device that fails at peak usage.

Note: A new 400W+ is only about 30-40 bucks, and you'll need one later when you upgrade anyway.

Windows XP is by far the most stable OS I've ever used. I really doubt it is the source of the problem. Of course, another solution is to wipe-out HDD, and start with a fresh install.

Good Luck

[Johnny Fist]

I had a similar problem with my computer playing RTCW. I replaced the 300 Watt power supply that came with my "el-cheapo" $30.00 case with a 400 Watt AMD certified PSU and the problems stopped. I also had a few reboots here and there during everyday tasks (bryce, poser, photoshop,etc) and those stopped after replacing the power supply. Maybe thats something you could look into.

Oh yeah, if you want to play games BUY A PLAYSTATION!!!

[$1500-P4 gamer]

"Oh yeah, if you want to play games BUY A PLAYSTATION!!!"

Curse you! For coming here and saying such rebelious things in a pc forum. Go back to your lowsey low res tv and PS unit and look at your crappy text with a max of 29.97FPS sec game play!
:p Unless yours is PAL then its even worse 25fps. Me I like 120fps.:D Its a joke by the way.....:t

[Golfbuff]

I have a playstaion 2 , Xbox and Puter and Id take the game on my puter before anything else the other 2 had to offer and my system well isnt to top of the line I would say something else but don't wanna test the Sysop's :t

[lptech]

I'd have to agree that there is a high probability that your Power Supply Unit is the cause of the problem that you are trying to blame on the Operating System. I agree with the rest of them that Windows XP is the most stable OS that Microsoft has ever put out! I've installed and ran all versions of Windows from 3.1 to XP including Windows 2000 Advanced Server and having experienced all of the previous versions of Windows that I can truly and honestly say that Windows XP Professional is the most stable running OS that I've used.

To give you an idea why your PSU is probably at fault, I point you to the following site:

http://www.pcpowercooling.com/maxpc/index_cases.htm

Please take the time to read it carefully for it really explains why having a good PSU is so important! Note the wattage required by each individual component(mobo, CPU, memory, AGP card, etc.) and you will see why your 300watt power supply might be considered mediocre by some power users. Yes, it is the most important component in your system since it powers everything!:)

[BiG MiKeY]

screw consoles.. i hate the controllers....eva try playin ut on dc?..... i agree the PSU is prob the problem..... altough before u shell out the money for it u might as well listen to BPB he could be right.. either way u should get the most update drivers for the sys.....btw just a tidbit of info ppl there is a service that charges 20$ to retrieve ure new bios how messed up is that....also del the radeon drivers

[args]

Win xp is a superb operating system better than all the previous versions of windows.

But i does like quality hardware not rubbish.

Even i can not crash or mess it up.


:) ;) :p :-@ :t :D

[xenomorph69]

IT is Fixed

I just found out Why I was Having the spontaneous Reboots.


It was with DirectX 8.1 and Windows XP, I have Upgraded to DirectX 9 and Problem Solved.

Thanks guys for all your input.

[BipolarBill]

Actually, it was likely a piece of hardware or driver (video,sound) that didn't take to DX8.1.

All's well that ends. Well?

[cdroman]

Originally posted by Golfbuff
I have a playstaion 2 , Xbox and Puter and Id take the game on my puter before anything else .:t

Xbox @ 480p on our digital big screen in dolby digital blows away the pc for games. Xbox live obliterates the pc, talking to your oponents in real time can't be beat.

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Consoles look better for the same reason DVD on telly looks better than on PC - they have lower res. You play a gameon the PC a@ same res as an xbox and it would look orrible, but because TV's are so low res it looks okay, same with DVD's lookign so pixelated on PC. Consoles have retard hardware and are incapable of the quality and detail of the PC, but because they go through TV it loosk just as good

--Jakk:t

[SocialChaos]

Xbox blowing away PC? Thats the funniest thing i've heard in a long time...."look at me mom I can talk to my enemies over the nifty headset you bought me!" PC users have been doing this for 10 years...you ever look at the guts of all the consoles? Basically a PC for idiots is all they are...look deeper before you dare compare a console to a PC =) ROFL

[cdroman]

I still like my strategy games on the pc. But my kids rarely ever play games on the pc anymore. When there are 6-10 teenagers in our house, taking turns playing Halo with 4 players at a time it cannot be beat. The extra resolution afforded by a pc does not compare to the fun factor of playing xbox live or multiplayer games with your friends in the same room with you.

[cdroman]

Originally posted by SocialChaos
Xbox blowing away PC? Thats the funniest thing i've heard in a long time...."look at me mom I can talk to my enemies over the nifty headset you bought me!" PC users have been doing this for 10 years...you ever look at the guts of all the consoles? Basically a PC for idiots is all they are...look deeper before you dare compare a console to a PC =) ROFL

Simple math for you.
My kids play games on the pc zero times / week.
My kids play xbox with their freinds 3-5 times per week.
My kids play xbox live every day.

Which do you think my kids prefer?

People that have multifarious likes or dislikes seem to bother your type.

[FuzzBall]

WinXP....hmmmmmm.......haven't really used it much to give a comment, just trying to increase my number of posts, that's all.... heh... :D :p

[BipolarBill]

LOL!! :D

[rangeral]

Consoles are good for one thing, your pc doesn't get tampered with, kids and pc's don't mix especially when there fighting over it, ripping paddles out etc. aaargh!:mad:

[Johnny Fist]

Originally posted by xenomorph69
IT is Fixed

I just found out Why I was Having the spontaneous Reboots.


It was with DirectX 8.1 and Windows XP, I have Upgraded to DirectX 9 and Problem Solved.

Thanks guys for all your input.

So are you going to start a thread about how much you think DirectX sucks? I think you should. I'm somewhat curious to see if people defend it the way they did XP.

[BipolarBill]

DirectX is perfect! :mad:



:D

[xenomorph69]

OK then :D


Long Live THE REAL GRAPHICS LANGUAGE

Death to Direct X

Hail OPEN GL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL LOL LOL LOL
:p

[Johnny Fist]

HAIL!!!

[ukulele]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
DirectX is perfect! :mad:



:D

So is my *%$#. So what?

[BipolarBill]

byte me. :r

[jmichna]

IGIJDGTJ
:eek:
jmichna

[FuzzBall]

Direct X 8.1 works for me, compared to OpenGL which seems a little resource hungry. Then again, it could be my system. :r
Anyone running 32MB PC133 SDRAM & a 128MB GPU in their system? :D

[xenomorph69]

What a combination

Linux / Unix and OpenGL Perfection at it's Best

Windows and DirectX (Their Working on it, But still a long way to go)


SO THERE!!!!! :p :p :p

Direct X Does Have it's Advantages, and I can see the Flexibility, however Programming in OpenGL is Much Easier and more straight forward in my own opinion

:t

[AllGamer]

The only reason DirectX got 99% of the market is cuz 3DFX died and along with it Glide

but then it got resurrected by loyal Unix community into OpenGL

but by then it was too late the Borgs....erh.. I mean MS has already sucked the Market into its voids

so now it has become a sort of Matrix thing

for Neo to rescue the Sleepers in ....

i mean for the Penquin to rescue the games inside MS domain

:D :t

[BipolarBill]

I always preferred OpenGL over both DirectX and Glide, but ya gotta go with the flow...

[Bigjakkstaffa]

yup - i always prefferd OGL and use it wherever i can over DX

--Jakk:t

[Tick]

"Oh yeah, if you want to play games BUY A PLAYSTATION!!!"



I love this! An open door to flame the **** out of a numbnutz!
But I won't I took an oath to be kind to dumb animals!


I would like to see you use your XBoX, PLAYSTATION!, Game cube for a phone, Fax, printer, scanner, burner?

As for the XP! I run XP Pro on a 650mhz P3 with 384mb pc100 and a 250 watts power supply. Not to mention the 3 80mm case fans G3 Ti200 vid card, 32x DVD rom, 48x24x48 burner, NIC and modem! I can run Photoshop7, Corel draw 11, Poser 4, Bryce. I have yet to have any kind of reboot or failure out of it on DX8.1

Ill wait and let everyone make the mistakes and have the issues on DX 9 before I download it, Or untill I have to have it!

Tick

[Johnny Fist]

I didn't say to buy an Xbox, did I? I said a PLAYSTATION. The animal comment doesn't bother me as much as your inability to properly quote me even with a little quote button at the top that'll do it for you.

Moron.

[Tick]

XboX, Playstation, Game cube.. all the same chit!

Toys for little boys

:D

[arisaa]

quote:
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Originally posted by rangeral
"we gotta nukem and we gotta nukem now.
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Originally posted by Sterling_Aug


My sentiments precisely. The USA could use a few good parking lots in the Middle East and South East Asia.

I only hope Sterling that if you're not joking you're part of a small sick minority within the US people.

[BipolarBill]

I'm sure he's joking. He's just mimicking the right-wing "John Birchers" among us. ;)

[ukulele]

Birchers? I remember them boneheads. His philosophy was dig a hole and go hide in it. The world was about to end. The liberals had their hayday and the world went on, but who knows maybe John Birch was just a bit before his times. :rolleyes:

[arisaa]

I am sorry then. I just get quite touchy with warlikes. You know, we still breathe the depleted uranium from the bombs that were dropped in Cossovo around here. "Light nukes".

:confused: :t

[Mutant_Donkey]

what! who is using a cyrstal orb for a cpu cooler! especially on an athlon 1ghz? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[bushmaster]

crystal orb ??? who knows, just another thread that went round the bend the long way. tangentville. Any body know what S.W.A.G. swag stand for ?.

[ukulele]

Originally posted by bushmaster
crystal orb ??? who knows, just another thread that went round the bend the long way. tangentville. Any body know what S.W.A.G. swag stand for ?.

Is that what you say to a cop when he asks you why you were speeding? "Huh, I don't know ocefer. Must have been a combination of wind, gravity and inertia working against the brakes. I was trying like hell to slow down. :D "

Scientific wild *** guess?

[bushmaster]

No actually on the rare ocasion that I have gotten pulled over for travelling at speeds greater than the posted limit, I pull my drivers license from the same wallet as I keep my sheild in and the trooper or patrolman see the bright gold shiny object with the numbers and state emblem on it and tell me to have a nice day. It's a little informal courtesy we have amongst ourselves, and it benefits both sides.

[ukulele]

They extend that courtesy to me too. There is only a half a dozen cops for fifty miles in either direction and I know them all. One of them bought an Uke from me a few years back and keeps it in the station house. They all know me here and don't even bother to pull me over. One did once and when he saw who I was he took off. Later he told me to keep it under ten miles over the speed limit. :)