I want to buy a new mobo. Suggestions wanted.

[embj]

I want to buy a new mobo for an athlon.
I want to get one that has suppport for ddr, 333mhz fsb which is reversible to 200mhz, kt400 chipset, has support for the t'bird 1.4 up to the 2800+.

Thinking bout getting a Soyo Sy-KT400 Dragon Platinum or a Asus A7V8X.

What mobo do you all reccomend? Also, make sure it has plenty of options for overclocking.

Also, I want it to support AGP 8x.


Thanks!!!:t

[crusious31]

MSI Motherboard for AMD Processors Model KT3 Ultra2

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=22&manufactory=1312&DEPA=0&sortby=14&order=1

only 4x AGP though:(

[Giblet Plus!]

The KT400 is way overated. If I were you, I'd buy either a MSI KT3 Ultra 2 or Epox 8K3A. (kt333 chipset) If you want something better, get a solid nforce 2 board.

[sm8000]

I also say nForce2. If your heart's set on VIA, the go for KT333 or maybe KT400A.

[Beast_USA]

Soyo Dragon Ultra Plat!:D

If want speed and no blue screens!







……………………………………………………………………….
Soyo SY- KT 400 Dragon Ultra platinum board
(kaa3) 4in1 1443
AMD XP 2400+ (fsb266)@ 2,253mhz fsb333
13.5 X 167 fsb333 vcore@1.70
Fan Cooler master pure copper/with heat pipe 7300 rpm (loud)
Winfast Geforce 4 A250 ultra Ti 4600 DDR 128 megs
1 gig Corsair cas 2.0 PC 3200 DDR400 @ DDR333
3 100 gig Western Digitals 7200 RPM 8 meg cache ata/100 (Raid)
1 20 gig IBM 7200 ata/133 Windows 2000 professional SP3 (Drive bay tray)
1 20 gig Maxtor 7200 ata/133 Windows 2000 professional SP3 (Paragon partition manager 5.5 drive back CLONE)
1 20 gig IBM 7200 ata/133 Windows XP professional SP1 (Paragon partition manager 5.5 drive back CLONE)
1 40 gig Maxtor 7200 RPM ata/133 Windows XP professional SP1 (Drive bay tray) "NEW CHANGED OLD WD"
Pac Link UDMA 133/100 30awg 40pin drive connectors (on everything)
Sound Blaster Audigy
Linksys 10/100 Ver. 5 (on board lan realtek can’t maintain 100 on home lan)
HP DVDR\DVDRW CDR\CDRW
16X DVD
Antec performance plus series ll 430 watts
NEC XtraView+ Multisync LCD 1920nx 1280X1024

[embj]

I want one that will be around for a little while at least. So that is why I want 333mhz fsb and AGP 8x. Looks like Soyo might win.

EDIT: Also, I didn't know the KT400A's were out. Is this true???:cool: One more thing. Whatcha mean they are overrated?

[Beast_USA]

One more thing. Whatcha mean they are overrated?
over rated I think NOT
that was forGiblet Plus!

I don't think they are over rated:D

The kt400 the best speed performance
without unlocking, sanding, just put it together and GO
and can use a wide rage of CPU's





SYSTEM
Going to 2800+@? Vaporchill 10 more days
……………………………………………………………………….
Soyo SY- KT 400 Dragon Ultra platinum board
(kaa3) 4in1 1443
AMD XP 2400+ (fsb266)@ 2,253mhz fsb333
13.5 X 167 fsb333 vcore@1.70
Fan Cooler master pure copper/with heat pipe 7300 rpm (loud)
Winfast Geforce 4 A250 ultra Ti 4600 DDR 128 megs
1 gig Corsair cas 2.0 PC 3200 DDR400 @ DDR333
3 100 gig Western Digitals 7200 RPM 8 meg cache ata/100 (Raid)
1 20 gig IBM 7200 ata/133 Windows 2000 professional SP3 (Drive bay tray)
1 20 gig Maxtor 7200 ata/133 Windows 2000 professional SP3 (Paragon partition manager 5.5 drive back CLONE)
1 20 gig IBM 7200 ata/133 Windows XP professional SP1 (Paragon partition manager 5.5 drive back CLONE)
1 40 gig Maxtor 7200 RPM ata/133 Windows XP professional SP1 (Drive bay tray) "NEW CHANGED OLD WD"
Pac Link UDMA 133/100 30awg 40pin drive connectors (on everything)
Sound Blaster Audigy
Linksys 10/100 Ver. 5 (on board lan realtek can’t maintain 100 on home lan)
HP DVDR\DVDRW CDR\CDRW
16X DVD
Antec performance plus series ll 430 watts
NEC XtraView+ Multisync LCD 1920nx 1280X1024

[embj]

From all I have heard around the Soy SY-KT400 Dragon Ultra Platinum and the MSI KT4 Ultra-SR are the best. Any more suggestions???:t

[tony_j15]

THe kt400 is not overrated at all. It will last longer and perform better than the kt333. Your 2 selections are wonderful, but you might want to consider the nForce2, as it is better than the kt400.

[AllGamer]

My Choices are all the new Abit Mobos

they are much more Reliable and Feature Loaded

:t

[omega31]

Get one of the nforce2 motherboards. Asus A7N8X or Epox 8RDA+.

[RamonGTP]

Every benchmark i've seen has the KT400 no better than the KT333... Doesn't matter though, my recomendation would be an nForce2 board by EPoX... like the 8RDA+

[embj]

The reason I want the KT400 is because it has a wide variety of CPU support. I need it to support the T'bird 1.4ghz until I can afford to upgrade to something like the 2700+.:cool:

[Beast_USA]

The reason I want the KT400 is because it has a wide variety of CPU support. I need it to support the T'bird 1.4ghz until I can afford to upgrade to something like the 2700+.

:D :r ;) :D with you on that

[cheapster]

Another vote for the cheaper, and better tested KT333, like the MSI KT3 Ultra 2. Performance differences between the KT3 and KT4 are minimal at best. I went for the well proven KT 3 Ultra2. It should arrive tomorrow with the new retail boxed XP2000+. It will support up to the XP2700+.

[Beast_USA]

Originally posted by cheapster
Another vote for the cheaper, and better tested KT333, like the MSI KT3 Ultra 2. Performance differences between the KT3 and KT4 are minimal at best. I went for the well proven KT 3 Ultra2. It should arrive tomorrow with the new retail boxed XP2000+. It will support up to the XP2700+.


How much did you save? $10.00? (lunch for one day)


And the kt333's don't overclock as well;)

[embj]

lol, I think that after Xmas once I get some $$$ that I am gonna get the Soyo SY-KT400 Ultra PLATINUM.

[BipolarBill]

Originally posted by cheapster
It will support up to the XP2700+. Actually, it supports all Athlons.

[Beast_USA]

My kt400


2400+@2,310 (342fsb)!!:D
still air cooled

Above 2800+ 2.2gig not yet 3000+ 2.4 gigs

still the diet coke of 3000+:)

System spec & bios setting
Go here
http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=18&threadid=27723

[Giblet Plus!]

Originally posted by Beast_USA


And the kt333's don't overclock as well;)

Huh? Since when is motherboard chipset the most important factor in overclocking?

Oh, BTW, a KT400 with ddr3200 is slower than a KT333 with ddr2700. (same mem timings on each) You know why? They're both limited by the 133 fsb of most current athlons.

If you get a 166 fsb Athlon, or unlock it, you can run it at 166 on either a kt333 or a kt400. However, there's still no reason to get a kt400, because both kt333s (except for the early kt333s) and kt400s only have a 1/5 pci divider, which means anything over 166 fsb overclocks your pci/agp bus.

And do you know what the biggest reason to not get a kt400 is? I'll give you a hint: It's made by nvidia. :p

[Beast_USA]

Originally posted by Giblet Plus!


Huh? Since when is motherboard chipset the most important factor in overclocking?

Oh, BTW, a KT400 with ddr3200 is slower than a KT333 with ddr2700. (same mem timings on each) You know why? They're both limited by the 133 fsb of most current athlons.

If you get a 166 fsb Athlon, or unlock it, you can run it at 166 on either a kt333 or a kt400. However, there's still no reason to get a kt400, because both kt333s (except for the early kt333s) and kt400s only have a 1/5 pci divider, which means anything over 166 fsb overclocks your pci/agp bus.

And do you know what the biggest reason to not get a kt400 is? I'll give you a hint: It's made by nvidia. :p

NO NEED TO UNLOCK ON KT400.....PCI /6 hello
Only 166? oooop's someone tell my cpu it can't go there

DO you have a KT400? didn't think so

AND I have both the KT400 is faster sorry:D

maybe you should pay a little visit to
http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=30&forumid=58 (Overclockers.com)

My system
Soyo SY- KT 400 Dragon Ultra Platinum
AMD XP 2400+ (fsb266)@2,310mhz (342fsb)still going up!
13.5X169 fsb342 vcore 1.75
Notice 90mhz from 3000+?

NO BLUE SRCEENS HERE:D

kt333 won't do it unless you like blue screens :eek:

[BipolarBill]

Bah - 6 of 1 and a half-dozen of the other, the way I see it. There's no significant advantage to the KT400. The nForce2 on the other hand... :)

[gjimene2]

I wanna save up about $1,500 and wait till the barton comes out :D

btw, what do you peeps think will be best, Barton or Hammer?

[Beast_USA]

Hammer

but you can you wait! (until grey hair sets in):D

[RamonGTP]

Originally posted by gjimene2
I wanna save up about $1,500 and wait till the barton comes out :D

btw, what do you peeps think will be best, Barton or Hammer?

Definatly the hammer over the barton, but its gonna be a while... The barton is basically going to be a tbred with more cache and i've heard it my run at 200fsb... As far as boards, if you want something faster or "better" than a KT333, the KT400 is NOT your answer, just read up on the reviews, they speak for themselves. If you want something thats really better, go with an nForce2 board.

[Beast_USA]

here ya go you choose
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_182_869_4348^4378|124_3_XP,00.html

SOYO KT400 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition) Outperformed MSI, ASUS and Gigabyte, & Brought Home 3 Gold Medals!

Soyo KT400 Dragon Ultra Platinum AMD Athlon XP, Duron VIA KT400 motherboard review. Our look at the Soyo KT400 Dragon Ultra Platinum KT400 motherboard and performance. Soyo KT400 Dragon Ultra Platinum brings overclocking, stability, performance & features galore. Soyo KT400 Dragon Ultra Platinum.

http://www.soyousa.com/news/newsarticle.php?id=117

bottom line you want speed? then kt400
Sorry guys
2400+(266fsb)@2,310(342fsb), 2,324(333fsb), 2,366(338fsb), 2,380(340fsb), 2,394(342fsb):D
better cooling who nows!
All in the bios, NO un-locking, soldering, scrap, push or pull

[Giblet Plus!]

Not all KT400s unlock, but all nforce 2s do.

Where did you hear than any kt400 has a 1/6 pci divider? None of them do. However, there are some nforce 2 boards that have a pci/agp lock, which is better than even a 1/6 divider.

Are you trying to be funny by linking to "reviews" and "articles" off the manufacturer's home page, or do you actually go by those?

I have experience with the kt400. I just built an epox kt400 system for a friend. It's nice, but not as nice as the asus nforce 2 system I helped another friend configure. :) (newegg was out of epox nforce 2s at the time)

[embj]

Oh, boy the fight has started.

Don't know what to get.

[BipolarBill]

nForce2 - no contest.

[gjimene2]

oh yea, I can wait till the hammer comes out, just more time to save up my cash, and to save up some more :)

besides, I ain't gonna get it right when it comes out :P

[Giblet Plus!]

Originally posted by embj
Oh, boy the fight has started.

Don't know what to get.

Bpb's on my side. :p

Get this (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=EP%2D8RDA) or this (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=A7N8X).

This (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=K7N2%2DL) one is probably okay too. :D

[omega31]

I said it before, and I'll say it again: go for nforce2. Either Asus A7N8X or Epox 8RDA+. The layout/spacing on the MSI K7N2-L is not as good as the Asus or Epox.

[Giblet Plus!]

I see what you're saying:

http://images2.newegg.com/productimage/13-130-396-03.JPG

Asus or Epox sounds good. :)

[morpheus kain]

Epox 8RDA+ end of story!

[Giblet Plus!]

The Asus one is good too, and it has a verified pci lock.

A friend of mine just built a xp2400 system with one.

We wants it! (lotr quote) :D

[morpheus kain]

I asked Gollum and he agrees that Epox is far superior to Asus!

[Giblet Plus!]

He he.

They are both good boards. Since the epox is cheaper, that's what I'd get. :r

[morpheus kain]

Epox is a little more tweakable too.

[Beast_USA]

Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
Not all KT400s unlock, but all nforce 2s do.

Where did you hear than any kt400 has a 1/6 pci divider? None of them do. However, there are some nforce 2 boards that have a pci/agp lock, which is better than even a 1/6 divider.

Are you trying to be funny by linking to "reviews" and "articles" off the manufacturer's home page, or do you actually go by those?

I have experience with the kt400. I just built an epox kt400 system for a friend. It's nice, but not as nice as the asus nforce 2 system I helped another friend configure. :) (newegg was out of epox nforce 2s at the time)

NONE of them do?
DO you have one?
iwill KK400 does
soyo dragon ultra plat does
gigabyte does HELLO get some of boards and check then come back and say or sorry.

nforce2 if youwant the slowest memory bandwidth on PC3200 I say YES buy the nforce2 (Target or maybe Kmart)

sisSoftware Sandra standard 2003
P4X400 PC3200
Ram Int Buffered aEMMX/aSSE bandwidth 2890 MB/s
Ram Float Buffered aEMMX/aSSE bandwidth 2889 MB/s

KT400 PC3200
Ram Int Buffered aEMMX/aSSE bandwidth 2890 MB/s
Ram Float Buffered aEMMX/aSSE bandwidth 2705 MB/s

My System
Soyo sy-kt400 PC3200@PC2700
Ram Int Buffered aEMMX/aSSE bandwidth 2661 MB/s
Ram Float Buffered aEMMX/aSSE bandwidth 2510 MB/s

KT333 PC2700:(
Ram Int Buffered aEMMX/aSSE bandwidth 2092 MB/s 798 MB/s slower! X60 47,880 MB/min SLOWER then KT400
Ram Float Buffered aEMMX/aSSE bandwidth 2004 MB/s

And in last place
nforce2 PC3200
Ram Int Buffered aEMMX/aSSE bandwidth 2072 MB/s 818 MB/s slower! X60 49,080 MB/min SLOWER
Ram Float Buffered aEMMX/aSSE bandwidth 1967 MB/s

SO IF SLOW IS THE TO GO..... GO nforce2!

Ayone with sissoftware sandra standard 2003 can check this.

Well hell having memory benchies that slow can't make a difference. hehaheheheheha whoooooooooo:D :r :r :p

Soyo manuel page 48 CPU to PCI Divider /3 /4 /5 /6? miss print?:D :D :D

correction KK400 pci div locked:(

[morpheus kain]

Look at this you Nforce basher. http://www.xbitlabs.com/mainboards/nforce2-kt400/index2.html#9 Screw the Sandra stuff look at the REAL benchmarks.

OMFG who is that getting whipped? Oh shizzle it's the KT400 isn't it? Yeah great facts man.

[embj]

So either a Soyo SY-KT400 Ultra Platinum or an Asus A7N8X Deluxe. Which one has better performance???

[morpheus kain]

I like Epox better than I like Asus, but the answer to your question is the Asus board. The Nforce2 is DEFINITELY faster than the KT400. There, end of story.

[Beast_USA]

ASUS A7n8x

I use the soyo but ASUS seems to be pretty popular on overclockers.com forums in thier sigs:D



Not bashing nforce2 just replying to KT400 bashing

went to your link:eek: it says it's slower tooo?
sissandra, sismark, 3dmark, RTCW checkpoint, unreal,

KT400 was still the fastest:D don't understand what you were trying to show me?

OH I see in the older software that really reads todays speeds it does better. (2002)
Maybe I should test it with wintune 98 should be smokin then!


and why would I trust those marks?
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[morpheus kain]

Ah whatever believe wtf you want to. They're both fast as hell anyway. Just the KT400 isn't QUITE as fast. (Which is likely to change with KT400A lol)

[Beast_USA]

Originally posted by morpheus kain
I like Epox better than I like Asus, but the answer to your question is the Asus board. The Nforce2 is DEFINITELY faster than the KT400. There, end of story.


OH YEAH and honda civic can beat a Ferrari saw in the movies :D :) :D HEHAHEHEHEHAHE yeahhhhhhh baby


http://www.overclockers.com/

under AMD MB's you vote for best one their not even listed :D :D

#1 Abit
#2 Asus
#3 Epox
#4 MSI
#5 Soyo

sorry n2 fanboys:(

[BipolarBill]

Kill the stupid argument or I'll kill the thread.

You're just trying to defend your purchase, Beast_USA. Don't p!ss off the whole world doing it.

[Beast_USA]

morpheus kain :D

Like I have posted many times on the intel/AMD threads

What ever is in your budget and what makes you happy:D

They are all much faster than most people will ever use:p

[Beast_USA]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
Kill the stupid argument or I'll kill the thread.

You're just trying to defend your purchase, Beast_USA. Don't p!ss off the whole world doing it.

Just having fun I purchase way to many different MB's
and Chips intel/amd to defend all:D

have
nforce
nforce2
nforce2
k266-R
KT333
XP333-R
KT400-R
Kt400
KK400-R
PX400

[BipolarBill]

Then you should know that the discrete components make the nForce2 a better board and that, once Dual DDR comes around, it'll stomp the KT400.

[Giblet Plus!]

I have real experience with the nf2. A friend of mine just got the asus one and a xp2400. He has a ti4200, and two sticks of pc2700 samsung.

While running the ram at 266 and the fsb at 133, and with no overclocking at all, he got 11,300 3dmarks. That's helluva fast for ddr2100 and a non-OCed ti4200.

Once I get time to run the fsb up to 166+ and overclock his videocard, I'm sure he'll have even more.

I really don't believe Beast_USA when he says he has 10 motherboards.

embj - DO NOT get a kt400. Get the Asus or Epox nforce 2.


:)

[Beast_USA]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
Then you should know that the discrete components make the nForce2 a better board and that, once Dual DDR comes around, it'll stomp the KT400.

First post on this thread
I want to buy a new mobo. Suggestions wanted.

My first post
KT400 over rated I think not

Soyo Dragon Ultra Plat!
If want speed and no blue screens!

then then bashing began single owner/not testing for their self went nuts


Your a mAderator?
More bells and whistles more foo foo OK
I just don't like that MB and would not recommend it to any one;)
I stated my opinion and the opinion many other o/c'er.
Isn't that why we have forums? for everyone's opinion?
I have never been able to get it to stomp the KT400
I have got the iWill 266-R to beat a KT333 and real close to a KT400 BUT NOT STABLE. it just looked good in the benchies.

maybe but it DOES NOT KNOW

And yes I like Nvidia 80% of my cards
ATI 15% and 5% what ever new kid is on the block

[gjimene2]

***** just hit the fans ladies and gentlemen.

[Beast_USA]

...............To every one

............HAPPY HOLIDAYS

..........................:D

[BipolarBill]

On that note...