how did "saddam try to kill george bush"? [Archive]

Giblet Plus!

10-20-2002, 06:47 PM

It's really easy to blame all of the United State's problems on the current president, but it's really a lot more complicated than that. I know you hear about how horrible W is from teachers (can you say teacher's unions - which are always in support of the democrats) and biased news articles, but consider what he's really done.

"He hasn't done a thing"

Back up that statement.

What do you mean, anyways? What could he have done? Bush was already tougher on terrorism than Clinton ever was.

"People say he's special because he's going after terrorism"

Who said that? I haven't heard that used to explain his "specialness"

A lot of times domestic problems in other countries are just blamed on the US and its current president.

TaXi

10-20-2002, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
Take it easy on W

Why?Maybe once he begins to care about what happens to the environment. Yes, you might say I'm a tree hugger. I'm a member of the Sierra Club, and proud of it!

TaXi:t :t

Giblet Plus!

10-20-2002, 07:04 PM

While loving the environment is good, the Sierra Club goes too far. :p

TaXi

10-20-2002, 07:08 PM

Well,I'm not one of those nuts who doesn't eat meat or anything like that, such as not flushing the toilet until it is brimming with ****. That's for weirdos. :x I just believe that the environment is being neglected.

TaXi:t :t

Giblet Plus!

10-20-2002, 07:19 PM

Check out my political ideology poll thread! :t

ShawnD1

10-20-2002, 07:56 PM

dubbya hasn't done anything that is *******_like so we can't really say anything bad against him.

TaXi

10-20-2002, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by ShawnD1
dubbya hasn't done anything that is *******_like so we can't really say anything bad against him.
:confused: :confused: what the?
What does that mean?

TaXi:t :t

ShawnD1

10-20-2002, 09:17 PM

i mean he hasn't done anything stupid yet like jack up taxes or make just brutaly stupid laws.

alivin

10-20-2002, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by ShawnD1
dubbya hasn't done anything that is *******_like so we can't really say anything bad against him.

I would like to quote a really great president,

"TO ANNOUNCE THAT THERE MUST BE NO CRITICISM OF THE PRESIDENT, OR THAT WE ARE TO STAND BY THE PRESIDENT, RIGHT OR WRONG, IS NOT ONLY UNPATRIOTIC AND SERVILE, BUT IS MORALLY TREASONABLE TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC." Theodore Roosevelt
:) :t

ShawnD1

10-20-2002, 10:37 PM

that sure sounds like the quote of a dictator to me.

isn't it the way of LIBERTY to question everything about the system? just to let the system blindly go off on its own seems sort of stupid. by roosevelt's standards, wouldn't John Stossel be a treasonist because every week on the show 20/20 he points out foolish things that the government does?

jad1097

10-21-2002, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by ShawnD1
that sure sounds like the quote of a dictator to me.

isn't it the way of LIBERTY to question everything about the system? just to let the system blindly go off on its own seems sort of stupid. by roosevelt's standards, wouldn't John Stossel be a treasonist because every week on the show 20/20 he points out foolish things that the government does?

Did you read the quote? Better yet did you comprehend it?

ShawnD1

10-21-2002, 01:17 AM

oh he said NOT to hmm.

i hate english, it's the most confusing language in the world.

Optimus Prime

10-21-2002, 03:10 AM

it is only confusing when stupid people make it confusing.

and i still dont understand that phrase, does that mean i SHOULD take the **** out of him, or i CANT?

ShawnD1

10-21-2002, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
it is only confusing when stupid people make it confusing.

might i rebuke! (i love that word)

There is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple.
English muffins weren't invented in England or French fries in France.
Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet, are meat.
We take English for granted. But if we explore its paradoxes, we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.
And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham?
If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of booth beeth?
One goose, 2 geese. So one moose, 2 meese? One index, 2 indices?
Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend, that you comb through annals of history but not a single annal?
If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it?
If teachers taught, why didn't preacher praught?
If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat? If you wrote a letter, perhaps you bote your tongue?
Sometimes I think all the English speakers should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane. In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell? Park on driveways and drive on parkways?
How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and wise guy are opposites? How can overlook and oversee be opposites, while quite a lot and quite a few are alike? How can the weather be hot as hell one day and cold as hell another.
Have you noticed that we talk about certain things only when they are absent? Have you ever seen a horseful carriage or a strapful gown? Met a sung hero or experienced requited love? Have you ever run into someone who was combobulated, gruntled, ruly or peccable? And where are all those people who ARE spring chickens or who would ACTUALLY hurt a fly?
You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which an alarm clock goes off by going on.
English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race (which, of course, isn't a race at all). That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible.
And why, when I wind up my watch, I start it, but when I wind up this essay, I end it.

Strawbs

10-21-2002, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
it is only confusing when stupid people make it confusing.

Seconded. :p

jad1097

10-21-2002, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by ShawnD1
oh he said NOT to hmm.

i hate english, it's the most confusing language in the world.

Maybe so, but IMHO it is only confusing to those that do not understand it.

I'm not going to sit here and throw insults at you but if you reply to something take the time to read it carefully. The quote was far from being a complex sentence. Most any elementary student could comprehend it.

Optimus Prime

10-21-2002, 12:16 PM

are you calling me thick? :mad:

Bigjakkstaffa

10-21-2002, 12:25 PM

No he isnt... but i am :p

...for no real reason other than a joke ... sorry mate couldnt resist ;)

...i cant really be arsed to read through this anyways as it will be biased and opinionated as these threads involving criticism of the US or its governemnt usually are :rolleyes:

--Jakk:t

alivin

10-21-2002, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
it is only confusing when stupid people make it confusing.

and i still dont understand that phrase, does that mean i SHOULD take the **** out of him, or i CANT?

OP, To me the quote means not only can you take the **** out of him(or any leader) but it is the duty of every person to question, not blindly trust and follow the herd ( no offence fluffy cow)
:r :r :r

ShawnD1

10-21-2002, 02:03 PM

you said that english is only confusing when stupid people make it confusing, that is actually quite wrong.

my best friend is university and he asked me to read his essay. each line was just impossible to understand because there were lack of pauses and sentences seemed to be 2 sided like "joe hit his head which hurt" which could either mean he hit his head then it hurt or he hit his head which hurt before he hit it.an example for pause:
"joe fell down the stairs his head hurt after that"
ignore the fact that the sentence ends with a preposition but look how the sentence has no pause, which makes it a bit hard to understand. my friend handed that in and got 76% on it, that is pretty **** good!
a guy i know who is from Israel doesn't have the best english in the world but everything he types is 100x as easy to understand than anything my university friend has written.

Strawbs

10-21-2002, 02:17 PM

I only seconded in reference to the "rebuke" post, I actually thought it was quite good and decided it needed rounding off.

Chill Out Dude! :cool:

ShawnD1

10-21-2002, 03:08 PM

oh btw i didn't write that essay, i found it at http://collegehumor.com

just making sure that you don't say i stole it :)

strat1

10-21-2002, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
Now if he'd have tried to kill George Bush Snr before he "made" George Bush jnr. the would would be a much safer and saner place :p ...BTW someone told me Georgie boy Jnr has been nominated for a nobel peace prize.... YOU GOTTA BE S**TTIN ME :eek:
--Jakk:t
That’s like me saying the Queen is Puppet and is so out of touch with reality. Her Power to change the political outcome is limited to what servant washes her ***** that day. Or what about the Royal family that that has more problems with drugs, alcohol and sex than Jenna Jamison with the same amount of Political Clout!

Lets not even talk about Princess Dianna (rest in peace), what was the outcry for that? She raised $$ to destroy the Land Mines in Afghanistan -- that’s it!

I have never been prouder to be an American in my Life, and if you knew ANY of the facts surrounding President Bush- you would too. You are grasping for straws attacking him like that and it is Hilarious. I am sure that the Royal Family and the Queen are wonderful people who try very hard, but that is not how our Media portrays them. But you never hear us repeating the **** that is not true- I am sensing that there is a huge Maturity issue here- as usual!

Bigjakkstaffa

10-21-2002, 03:23 PM

..twas a light hearted remark:rolleyes:

..regardless though the guy does seem, an.. how to put this poliltey... idiot...

-As for the Royal Family

the Queen is Puppet and is so out of touch with reality

...i think you got it on the head there.. tnx ;)

..as for her power to change politcal outcome... er.. our queen has no involvment in the politics or the running of the country...

She is simply (an albeit wrinkly) state figure... a state figure that should have been removed from long ago.

--Jakk:t

herosrest

10-21-2002, 03:45 PM

I understood politics and ideology to be at opposite ends of
different spectrums.

That is if politics = democrocy.

Political idealists - religious ones as well for that martyr have
little interest in polling booth compromises.

The assassination thing should have been understood for the warning that it was.

Bigjakkstaffa

10-21-2002, 03:54 PM

...Its all well and good getting upset over anothger nation funding an attempt to kill an american president... BUT, American and the CIA in paticular did this intensively to Castro, hiring mercenaries regularly in order to knock him off....

...and this is one of the few world leaders who's had the balls to say "we dont need you" to America, and his record really speaks for itself.. Cuba has obe of the highest literacy rates in the world.... i dunno about America but in Britain most kids nowadays cant even spell their own names...

..any ways - to my original point - here we see the same oil double standards.. its perfectly acceptable for America to fund and organise covert assasination attempts, but its not okay for someone to do the same to America.. sheesh.. you ppl woiuld think your leaders of the (supposedly) free world or sumink :rolleyes:

...now look - i said i wasnt gonna get involved in this thread and look what youve made me go and do - before ling i'll be getting all of the usual rubbish Pro-American Ant-anyone else remarks i usually get whenever i try and make valid arguments in political threads like this:D

...;part of the reason i stay out of the community forum nowadays

--Jakk:t

strat1

10-21-2002, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by herosrest
I understood politics and ideology to be at opposite ends of
different spectrums. That is if politics = democrocy.
Political idealists - religious ones as well for that martyr have
little interest in polling booth compromises.
Nice and cryptic-- Do you want to explain that Shyt!

[i]The assassination thing should have been understood for the warning that it was. [/B] Who, What, to Who? OH, it told me that -Radical Muslims- should DIE and have no idea what the Muslim religion is about! It is an inferior culture and way of life that has no place on this shrinking ecosystem we call Earth.
What pissed me off the most about the entire Muslim Community in the US is that they never spoke as one voice and spoke against 9/11. For that I may not forgive. I am also kinda pissed at all the 12-17 year olds in the UK for being so Jealous of the US-- but that is another thread! :-@ :t

Optimus Prime

10-21-2002, 05:21 PM

Yeah, i sure am jealous of the US, im planning on living there when i am older, but im not jealous of some stupid people that are in it. :rolleyes:.

I have a lot of 'Muslim' friends, they don't hate me, they don't think all christians should die, rephrase your sentence, if you don't know anything about a religion, don't say ANYTHING about it.

"I am also kinda pissed at all the 12-17 year olds in the UK for being so Jealous of the US-- but that is another thread!"

how come every time i have an argument with people from the US, someone has to mention this? It just shows a lack of intelligence and proves that you have lost the argument.

"That’s like me saying the Queen is Puppet and is so out of touch with reality."

Of course she is, she is a figure-head, does nothing for the people and just wastes money, that's what our "Royal Family" is about, see, most of us DONT CARE about royalty any more, so when you make a comment like that, you are speaking the truth.

Oh, and what i just said is treason to my country.. oh well.

Bigjakkstaffa

10-21-2002, 05:25 PM

Oh well optimus - looks like both of us are gonna be going for the ol' "off withtheir heads" :D

--Jakk:t

Optimus Prime

10-21-2002, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
Oh well optimus - looks like both of us are gonna be going for the ol' "off withtheir heads" :D

--Jakk:t

.. i wonder if they can still do that? XD

j.m@talk

10-21-2002, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
No he isnt... but i am :p

...for no real reason other than a joke ... sorry mate couldnt resist ;)
--Jakk:t

Seconded ;) :p

Bigjakkstaffa

10-21-2002, 05:52 PM

great minds think alike ;)

...or maybe its because we're both british :confused:
:r
--Jakk:t

Optimus Prime

10-21-2002, 05:54 PM

so what am i then? :'(

j.m@talk

10-21-2002, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
so what am i then? :'(

Chopped Liver :t

danee

10-22-2002, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
t... BUT, American and the CIA in paticular did this intensively to Castro, hiring mercenaries regularly in order to knock him off....

...and this is one of the few world leaders who's had the balls to say "we dont need you" to America, and his record really speaks for itself.. Cuba has obe of the highest literacy rates in the world....

..any ways - to my original point - here we see the same oil double standards.. its perfectly acceptable for America to fund and organise covert assasination attempts, but its not okay for someone to do the same to America.. sheesh.. you ppl woiuld think your leaders of the (supposedly) free world or sumink :rolleyes:

Jakk.. good thoughts.
In my opinion, so what if someone tried to kill a US president...
maybe they deserve it for all the people they've tried to kill.

As to the president being leader of the "free world", ive never heard so much Bullsh*t in all my life. Imagine a country where citizens consider themselves to be "free", while living in a closed dictatorship, where even thought is somewhat censored.
I mean, you wouldnt want to publicly speak out against the US government... otherwise you risk being arrested as a terrorist... and all these people according to Georgie boy are "Evil".

* * Child speaking to the US president * *
Child: Excuse me Mr Bush, but you said all these people are Evil.
GB: Yes thats right, they're all evil.
Child: How do you know there Evil Mr Bush ?
GB: "well...... er......... um...... ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE TERRORISTS"

TV Reporter: Mr Bush, what evidence do you have that this boys father is a terrorist ?
GB: He's an evil man.
TV Reporter: Evil man ?
GB: Yes... he's an extermely evil man.
TV Reporter: But what did this 'evil' man do ?
GB: He's a terrorist.
GB: That's it... no more questions.
* * * * * * * * * * * * *

Optimus Prime

10-22-2002, 05:13 AM

hahaah, is that really what he said? ROFL. George Bush is a very twisted individual if thats what he said, he needs mental help.

Bigjakkstaffa

10-22-2002, 11:00 AM

He does seem rather dimwitted and unresourceful like... he's fodder for loads of sattire TV programs over in the UK, such as have I Got News For You and his HILLARIOUS depiction in 2DTV (the US Army Generals use a hand puppet to gain his attention and get him to make decisions)...

The number of guff's he's made with speeches and responding to challenging questions, also hardly instills me with faith over the man in control of the worlds largest armed force :eek:

--Jakk:t

strat1

10-23-2002, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
Yeah, i sure am jealous of the US, im planning on living there when i am older, but im not jealous of some stupid people that are in it. :rolleyes:. Ouch, that hurt! You are Too cool! I hope you like the US when you come here, you will be welcome!

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
I have a lot of 'Muslim' friends, they don't hate me, they don't think all christians should die, rephrase your sentence, if you don't know anything about a religion, don't say ANYTHING about it, I said RADICAL Muslim-- that’s it!
I did say that there has never been a unified outcry Against the Radical Muslims by the mainstream Muslims-- which can be interpreted as a Passive approval or support!

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
"I am also kinda pissed at all the 12-17 year olds in the UK for being so Jealous of the US-- but that is another thread!"how come every time i have an argument with people from the US, someone has to mention this? It just shows a lack of intelligence and proves that you have lost the argument. It does not prove I lost anything- Nice try. I like to set the stage for the others to see where each of us is coming from. Your persistent demonizing view of the US demonstrates your lack of maturity, intelligence and most important your ability think for yourself. I know the Media in the UK is Anti American and biased, do you?
Truth and Knowledge is POWER

strat1

10-23-2002, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
He does seem rather dimwitted and unresourceful like... he's fodder for loads of sattire TV programs over in the UK, such as have I Got News For You and his HILLARIOUS depiction in 2DTV (the US Army Generals use a hand puppet to gain his attention and get him to make decisions)...The number of guff's he's made with speeches and responding to challenging questions, also hardly instills me with faith over the man in control of the worlds largest armed force :eek:--Jakk:t Ha ha -- I am sorry- I thought the Media in the UK is Anti American and biased- my Mistake.
Do you realize that the US Media (for the most) promotes what a joke the Politics and Governments of the UK, France, and Germany-- all of them, but we never quote them or even Care. It is your county. Get off your High horse and stop throwing stones in your Glasshouse! It is ridiculous.

strat1

10-23-2002, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by danee * * Child speaking to the US president * *
Child: Excuse me Mr Bush, but you said all these people are Evil.
GB: Yes thats right, they're all evil.
Child: How do you know there Evil Mr Bush ?
GB: "well...... er......... um...... ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE TERRORISTS"
TV Reporter: Mr Bush, what evidence do you have that this boys father is a terrorist ?
GB: He's an evil man.
TV Reporter: Evil man ?
GB: Yes... he's an extermely evil man.
TV Reporter: But what did this 'evil' man do ?
GB: He's a terrorist.
GB: That's it... no more questions.
[/B]

Yup- that is exactly how it happened- it is amazing that people, who have access to the Internet and Satlite TV, can still be so ignorant with their heads in the sand.

It is like a parent who's son was just caught smoking dope in the locker room at school and the teacher calls the parents to disipline the Student, but the Parents says that could not have been my son- you are lying, My son is perfect! Ha ha !

If you think you have access to unbiased, Non-Anti-American News -- you ARE 100 % WRONG!

Bigjakkstaffa

10-23-2002, 10:57 AM

Do you realize that the US Media (for the most) promotes what a joke the Politics and Governments of the UK,

..Yes, and we realise theyre right most of the time, unlike certain Americans (IE YOU) who cant brign themselves to admit there are ANY faults with their beloved country... ive heard of patriotism, but you just dont wanna hear anything you dont liek and as soon as someone mentions sumink relevant you spit your dummy out or ignore them... youve done it in past threads questioning the "oh so great" US government and you'll do it in this one... guess you just canty bring yourself to bear the idea you and your trigger happy president may be wrong :rolleyes:

--Jakk:t

--Jakk:t

NJEnviroguy

10-23-2002, 11:19 AM

If anyone wanted to know how f'ed the US gov't can be with some things, just join the military. SNAFU is a very popular way describing it. Nothing is perfect and anyone who says differently is trying to sell something.

strat1

10-23-2002, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
..Yes, and we realise theyre right most of the time, unlike certain Americans (IE YOU) who cant brign themselves to admit there are ANY faults with their beloved country... ive heard of patriotism, but you just dont wanna hear anything you dont liek and as soon as someone mentions sumink relevant you spit your dummy out or ignore them... youve done it in past threads questioning the "oh so great" US government and you'll do it in this one... guess you just canty bring yourself to bear the idea you and your trigger happy president may be wrong :rolleyes: --Jakk:t --Jakk:t IF that is the way I represent myself, than boy have I messed up! I think our Gov is SO F-ing Messed up it scares me.
Our Laws about immigration and Illegal Aliens are Horrible
The increasing of our Taxes to pay for bad decisions--- Tax Fraud is the norm!
Rich always protecting the Rich and forgetting about the Poor's right to equal opportunities.
Our Lack of commitment towards our Schools and education
Our lack of dedication to the Police and the Law!
We only care about our Military when we are at war and we pay them ****.
Having Consistent policies for all American Citizens
The Affirmative Action Polices are pure Racism
MOST OF our Senators and House Of Reps have been convicted of a crime and should be fired!
The lack of Teamwork between the CIA and FBI and other Law enforcement groups sucks!
What about the ***** that happened with Korea back in 1994 when we gave them the BOMB--- Please - I have major issues with our Gov's policies

But the President and what he is doing I believe is Justified and is the right action to take! The US has enough F-ups w/o the Foreign Press making stuff up. I have a huge problem with the Disinformation that the foreign press pumps out! That type of animosity really is unjustified. I understand it cause Canada is the same way and they are as close to a brother as we can get, yet we still get hammered by their Socialistic/ Marxist Views!

Why not talk about what a 2-faced scumbag the PM of Germany is for Turning tail and blowing the President after being elected on a platform that crucified our views? OR France for Just Sucking and NEVER helping us! What about the UN, Does anyone care about what a Total Corrupt Joke the UN is? I hope it is broken-up after it's failing to act this time!
There is so much Material out there for you to monopolize on, and you pick one of the proudest icons of our nation-- President Bush!
Question for all ; Did you all hate Clinton as much as Bush I or II --- What do you mean Bush is Trigger happy? What HAS HE DONE besides threaten to inforce all the broken UN resolutions that no one has cared about

Optimus Prime

10-23-2002, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by strat1
Ouch, that hurt! You are Too cool! I hope you like the US when you come here, you will be welcome!

I said RADICAL Muslim-- that’s it!
I did say that there has never been a unified outcry Against the Radical Muslims by the mainstream Muslims-- which can be interpreted as a Passive approval or support!

It does not prove I lost anything- Nice try. I like to set the stage for the others to see where each of us is coming from. Your persistent demonizing view of the US demonstrates your lack of maturity, intelligence and most important your ability think for yourself. I know the Media in the UK is Anti American and biased, do you?
Truth and Knowledge is POWER

demonizing view? What makes me say i demonize the US? you are a fool, you just talk and talk and never come out with something that leads the argument ahead or actually progresses the argument.

Oh, i should have said also 'my friends dont like their governments.' as well, because that is also a true statement.

I know i will be welcome when i go to the US, thats why im going there.

strat1

10-23-2002, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
you just talk and talk and never come out with something that leads the argument ahead or actually progresses the argument.
. What do you mean? I tired to respond to each of your accusations in an effort to move the Argument forward.

Even when you called me Stupid or miss Quoted me because I said nothing about the Religion itself, just its failure to denounce the Radical elements.
quote:
Originally posted by Optimus Prime
1. Yeah, i sure am jealous of the US, im planning on living there when i am older, but im not jealous of some stupid people that are in it. .

2. if you don't know anything about a religion, don't say ANYTHING about it,
3. It just shows a lack of intelligence and proves that you have lost the argument.

Or your factless attacks on President Bush--
quote: hahaah, is that really what he said? ROFL. George Bush is a very twisted individual if thats what he said, he needs mental help.

Let me know if you need my Support (based on Facts) for the US's Policies against Iraq clarified in any way. Or if you have a shread of Evidence that Bush has acted improperly (trigger happy), please let us all know! Our Trigger happy President who has jumped through all the Worlds Hoops to destroy Iraq whom has not acted at all!

Bigjakkstaffa

10-23-2002, 01:56 PM

Ive said it before and i'll say it again, the only reason bush is interested in SoDamned Insane is because he cant find Osama bin la-la

9/11 gave george, at least in the eyes of the US people, a right to go hunt terrorists... and god bless trigger happy bush, he went after Osama and rightly so.. however having lost Osama (which lets be honest he has - for now), he found he STILL had the backing of those at home.. so what better.. we'll find some "terrorist" name, who everyone knows and i'll have a go at him, because as of now ppl arent minding me going around playing soldiers... hmmn - now lets see (flicks through fil-o-fax) OOOH!! SADDAM HUSSEIN!! everyones heard of him!!, he'll fit the bill perfectly...

And so George sets off to dig up something that wasnt entirely pout to bed several years ago... why people are shunning America is because they want nothing to do with something that, up until Cowboy George came along, was to be honest concerning no one.. they have no interest in what is essentially one of Georges Wargames, because their involvment with Iraq was one in the past, and there was no OUTSTANDIUNG threat...

Now George is saying - "Saddam - weapons of mass destruction ... blah blah blah" .. and everyone else is like.. So What?? We knew he had em before now, he's not throwing his weight abouyt.. why bother and upset the balance??

But oh no, George has got the approval of the ever lovin US peoples to go and bomb the livin s**t outta anyone possibly classifiable as a terrorist, and he's got public popularity (well - in the US) and he's gonna do all he can to keep it... but does he have the nads to go and do it all by his lonesome... no.. although he has said he will.. why has he not yet?? Simple, the UN wont back him... all his posturing and its ground to a halt because (thank god) world leaders other then Ghengis Bush and Tony the t*t Blair have had the sense to say - no we dont want anything to do with it... i never thought id say this, but thank god for the French and Germans

--Jakk:t

strat1

10-23-2002, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
Ive said it before and i'll say it again, the only reason bush is interested in SoDamned Insane is because he cant find Osama bin la-la Not sure Why you believe this or How you know the President so well. I believe what he has been saying to the American People is a good enough reason for me--
1.Saddam now has Weapons of Mass Destruction and he uses them freely
2. The head of his Nuclear Weapons Dept had defected to the US and told us about Saddam Developing Nukes.
3. The US and the World is not able to take on Saddam even if they wanted too.
4. HE has broken the agreement he made 11 years ago with the UN- which saved his ***** at the end of the war.
5.The UN is Corrupt, Useless and I hope the US backs out of it.
6. Saddam Sponsors Terrorism financially and is a safe harbor for them.
6. He murders, rapes, and tortures his people. Why don't those people deserve Freedom? Cause a 17 year old in the UK does not like President Bush?

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
we'll find some "terrorist" name, who everyone knows and i'll have a go at him, because as of now ppl arent minding me going around playing soldiers... hmmn - now lets see (flicks through fil-o-fax) OOOH!! SADDAM HUSSEIN!! everyones heard of him!!, he'll fit the bill perfectly...--Jakk:t [QUOTE][i]

This is a War on Terrorism!!! SO yes he is going after Terrorists to protect the world like we always do. It is Ironic that part of your life's Dream is to come the US when you Grow up

Bigjakkstaffa

10-23-2002, 02:24 PM

This is a War on Terrorism!!! SO yes he is going after Terrorists to protect the world like we always do. It is Ironic that part of your life's Dream is to come the US when you Grow up

I think your getting me mixed up with someone else there mate (Optimus Prime) - The Only reason id go to America would be to buy cheap computer kit :p , lets not pretend that you know anything about me shall we :rolleyes:

Bigjakkstaffa

10-23-2002, 02:26 PM

I believe what he has been saying to the American People

My GOD :eek:

You actually believe what politicians say... your even denser than i though you were originally (All live news feeds and no personal and free thought make Strat1 a very dull boy indeed)

--Jakk:t

Bigjakkstaffa

10-23-2002, 02:27 PM

1.Saddam now has Weapons of Mass Destruction and he uses them freely

Dont be thilly - Saddam;s had WMD for donekys years... the only reason anyone cares now is because bush needs some new cannon fodder...

--Jakk:t

Optimus Prime

10-23-2002, 02:30 PM

To protect the world like we always do?

hahaha, to protect the world? I'm sorry, but i burst out laughing as soon as i saw this. You make no sense in your sentences. It is only a 'War On Terrorism' because Georgie-Boy said so, I could just as well re-name it:

'Bombing countries and not specific targets, even with our laser-guided bombs, for the fun of it.'

This is like what happened in Afghanistan:

'Oops, i have just hit a Post-Office in St.Petersburg instead of the Talibani HQ, ah well.'

Of course that is made up, but 'your' bombers missed their targets so badly.

Anyway.

Me and Big Jakk are two different people.

I want to live in the US when i'm older, but i would NEVER call it my DREAM, and there is no-way-in-hell i would ever sing along to your anthem or patriotic ****, cos I'm not like that.

Jakk's dream is.. well, i don't know what Jakk's dream is.

"1.Saddam now has Weapons of Mass Destruction and he uses them freely"

Really? Not to stick up for SADdam, but when did he use them, in the last 5 years? Yeah, you'll get back to me on that one then?

"3. The US and the World is not able to take on Saddam even if they wanted too."

So the US is not part of the world anymore? yeah, i always thought you people were big-headed ********.

"6. He murders, rapes, and tortures his people. Why don't those people deserve Freedom? Cause a 17 year old in the UK does not like President Bush?"

I'm not going to mention your seriously bad maths, but Jakk is not stopping anyone from creating WW3. And President BUSH isnt the only world leader capable of stopping Saddam, our SAS could take the B*D out, i just don't know why they don't.

"protect the world like we always do..."

HAHAHAHHAAHA, you sound like a child!

"protect the world like we always do..."

ROFL, sorry i just cannot stop laughing about this..

"protect the world like we always do...".

Bigjakkstaffa

10-23-2002, 02:42 PM

Optimus - this is some seriously funny sheeeeeeet!! :D

Me and Big Jakk are two different people.

..You could be my imaginary alter-ego though :x

Jakk's dream is.. well, i don't know what Jakk's dream is.

Muahahah - it would corrupt your mind ...

Now - on a more satirical note...

'Oops, i have just hit a Post-Office in St.Petersburg instead of the Talibani HQ, ah well.'

Come come - the US couldnt hit a donkeys *** with an ICBM - thats why the carpet bomb everything :p

Really? Not to stick up for SADdam, but when did he use them, in the last 5 years?

Yeah, please, give an example of this, as im unaware of it...

So the US is not part of the world anymore? yeah, i always thought you people were big-headed

What do you mean THOUGH!!

Jakk is not stopping anyone from creating WW3.

Nope im not... i would if i could though

"protect the world like we always do..."

Well if its that big a problem for you Strat - you have my permission to go and Emigrate to... Mars perhaps?

..Im normally a reasonable - but the amount od BS being shovelled around here (mainly by our american friend)is starting to get right on my nerves :mad:

--Jakk:t

Optimus Prime

10-23-2002, 02:46 PM

There are some real nice americans on this board tho.

Only a small amount are aboslute annoying *****

Bigjakkstaffa

10-23-2002, 02:55 PM

Yeah indeed - i really liked Americans until we started getting all this sort of "why are we being picked on" 9/11 , Saddam sorta stuff going.. then the really annoying ones started coming out of the woodwork

...I would at this juncture liek to thank Bushmaster for being a bang up guy.. he is American, he knows his computer stuff, he also knows his politics and unlike some, is actually prepared to both criticise and defend his nations actions, as well as see other peoples side of the story and take their feelings into account and understand them.. in my opinion certain ppl could do with takin a leaf outta his book

--Jakk:t

Beeblequix

10-23-2002, 02:57 PM

this thread is way too long.

And Strat1 has hit the nail on the head, in both the intellect in which his argument has been presented and the use of fact rather than adolescent straw-man-ad-hominem fallacy from the younger brits in this thread. I wish we had more people of the caliber, knowledge and clear-minded thinking which Strat1 has provided us with.

I love reading threads where you have one side of the argument rational and thought provoking and on the other side...well, you have fear-uncertainty-doubt-threat-misinterpretation-ad-hok-post-hok-slippery-slope-head-up-the-anal-crevice 'arguments'. I'd tell them to shut up or call them names, but I consider myself open-minded enough to just let them show their bias. I once heard a quote saying "open mouth, remove all doubt" as to the level of confidence we place upon a person. Well, the mouths have opened, and clarity arrived.

ßeeßle "let's invade Britain neXT" Qµix

strat1

10-23-2002, 02:58 PM

[[QUOTE]Originally posted by Optimus Prime
[B]'Oops, i have just hit a Post-Office in St.Petersburg instead of the Talibani HQ, ah well.' Of course that is made up, but 'your' bombers missed their targets so badly.

Yea that was an eduacated Rebuttle--

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Optimus Prime
Really? Not to stick up for SADdam, but when did he use them, in the last 5 years? Yeah, you'll get back to me on that one then?
[B] At a September 18 press briefing on how Iraqi President Saddam Hussein might be prosecuted for war crimes, Dr. Christine Gosden, a leading expert on the effects of chemical and biological agents on humans, said that she and her medical team have been able to identify 281 separate sites where Iraqi forces used chemical, biological and perhaps radiological weapons against civilians in the northern Iraqi town of Halabja twelve years ago.

I feel like I am teaching Ray Charles to Drive -- Forget it. We Disagree-

I will ask this again since I am the only one answering direct questions so far.
Question for all ; Did you all hate Clinton as much as Bush I or II --- What do you mean Bush is Trigger happy? What HAS HE DONE besides threaten to enforce all the broken UN resolutions that no one has cared about

I sound like a child,- the cat calling the kettle Black.

Optimus Prime

10-23-2002, 02:58 PM

Yeah, GO Bushmaster, Go Bushmaster ;).

Optimus Prime

10-23-2002, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by strat1
[[QUOTE]Originally posted by Optimus Prime
[B]'Oops, i have just hit a Post-Office in St.Petersburg instead of the Talibani HQ, ah well.' Of course that is made up, but 'your' bombers missed their targets so badly.

Yea that was an eduacated Rebuttle--

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Optimus Prime
Really? Not to stick up for SADdam, but when did he use them, in the last 5 years? Yeah, you'll get back to me on that one then?
[B] At a September 18 press briefing on how Iraqi President Saddam Hussein might be prosecuted for war crimes, Dr. Christine Gosden, a leading expert on the effects of chemical and biological agents on humans, said that she and her medical team have been able to identify 281 separate sites where Iraqi forces used chemical, biological and perhaps radiological weapons against civilians in the northern Iraqi town of Halabja twelve years ago.
I feel like I am teaching Ray Charles to Drive -- Forget it. We Disagree-

I will ask this again since I am the only one answering direct questions so far.
Question for all ; Did you all hate Clinton as much as Bush I or II --- What do you mean Bush is Trigger happy? What HAS HE DONE besides threaten to inforce all the broken UN resolutions that no one has cared about
QUOTE]

I sound like a child,- the cat calling the kettle Black.

Yep, once again, don't wanna stick up for SADdam, but that was 12 years ago, not 5.

No, i don't hate Clinton.

You mean by threatening is not being trigger happy? im afraid it does.

and my kettle IS black, does that mean you are a child?

Yeah, i AM educated, unlike, say you for example, you don't seem very 'Eduacated'.

Ho-Hum, come on, argue some more, that's all you came to this community for, do you know anything about computers?

strat1

10-23-2002, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
Yeah indeed - i really liked Americans until we started getting all this sort of "why are we being picked on" 9/11 , Saddam sorta stuff going.. then the really annoying ones started coming out of the woodwork...I would at this juncture liek to thank Bushmaster for being a bang up guy.. he is American, he knows his computer stuff, he also knows his politics and unlike some, is actually prepared to both criticise and defend his nations actions, as well as see other peoples side of the story and take their feelings into account and understand them.. in my opinion certain ppl could do with takin a leaf outta his book--Jakk:t
] These latest posts have cleared it all up! I was Stupid when I was 17 too- The fact that you are a Brit has nothing to do with it, just young kids that never worked a day in their lives, eared there own $$ to buy a car or Boat or House. Does not have a family or anything to think about except spankin it in the Bathroom and not getting caught. Sorry I wasted all this time trying to be logical.

I will do my best not to debate with people who have not reached Puberty yet!

strat1

10-23-2002, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
No, i don't hate Clinton.

That figures cause your Media loved him!

Ho-Hum, come on, argue some more, that's all you came to this community for, do you know anything about computers?

Nope , that is why i am here-- to learn and listen to other points of views-- try it !

Optimus Prime

10-23-2002, 03:16 PM

not reached puberty? well, i reached puberty when i was 14, Jakk reached it when he was 5.. ;).

I work Saturday's, Friday And Thursday Nights @ Iceland part-time for money, yes, i do work.

And this post makes NO-SENSE what so ever, just because i may be younger than you, doesn't mean i am less intelligent/sensitive/clearer in my thinking than you.

Optimus Prime

10-23-2002, 03:18 PM

If you want to learn and listen so bad, why do you argue so harshly, cant you take the fact that you are wrong sometimes? cant you take the fact that your beloved country/president is sometimes in the wrong?

strat1

10-23-2002, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Beeblequix
knowledge and clear-minded thinking which Strat1 has provided us with. .....one side of the argument rational and thought provoking and on the other side...well, you have fear-uncertainty-doubt-threat-misinterpretation-ad-hok-post-hok-slippery-slope-head-up-the-anal-crevice 'arguments'.

ßeeßle "let's invade Britain neXT" Qµix

Thanks for the Vote of approval-- I tried to be logical, but that is impossible with that mentality. I can only spell it out so many times!

Thanks again !

strat1

10-23-2002, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
If you want to learn and listen so bad, why do you argue so harshly, cant you take the fact that you are wrong sometimes? cant you take the fact that your beloved country/president is sometimes in the wrong?
SO tell me where i was wrong-- don't attack me! And i mean Facts, Not Hear-say. Not the Speculation that MEdia ( all MEdia) Pumps out!

I am all ears and you have plenty to attack us on is you did some research first-- but so far you have Failed Miserably

Bigjakkstaffa

10-23-2002, 04:16 PM

Inded i did reach puberty at around the age of 5.. rather scary really.. deep voice.. facail hair :eek:

..and as for never having worked a day in my life ..BS!! My first job was a 6 week contract for a school creating their online learning systems content.. kinda beats a paper round or flippin burgers in Mickey - D's dunnit :rolleyes:

anyways...

Clinton.. not a paticular fan of him at all... but hey at least he was getting blowjobs into middle age.. not many men can brag about that... bush snr, what i remember of him, again nothing i was too bothered about, Bush..apart from appearing a lil dopey (c'mon - you gotta admit he aint the sharpest of knifes in the cutelry drawer) and the Whole IRAQ thing, actually seems okay, as a bloke i mean.. i fully support him on osama and 9/11 and what not, just not his recent decisions...

And this post makes NO-SENSE what so ever, just because i may be younger than you, doesn't mean i am less intelligent/sensitive/clearer in my thinking than you.

**** straight, some of the most intellignet ppl you will EVER MEET - will be off the younger age, why because we think oputside of the "box" as we are not constrained by society's expectations of adults, we are prepared to go against the grain and be anti-establishment.. we dont grow stale and pacifistic and stop questioing everything we're spoonfed by our government...

..and as for invading the Uk BQuix... you wouldnt know what had hit you.. by the time you'd have got tropps on the decks all the smack heads would be out, beating them sensless and nicking their shoes :D :p

--Jakk:t

strat1

10-23-2002, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
**** straight, some of the most intellignet ppl you will EVER MEET - will be off the younger age, why because we think oputside of the "box" as we are not constrained by society's expectations of adults, we are prepared to go against the grain and be anti-establishment.. we dont grow stale and pacifistic and stop questioing everything we're spoonfed by our government...
--Jakk:t

I thought the same thing 15 years ago when I was 15. I thought I was invisible, unstoppable-- No one could ever convince me otherwise so I am going to stop trying with you too! I grew up and realized I was not Superman-- you will too, its called Maturity!
Maybe in 10-15 years you will realize how naïve you were!

OUTSIDE THE BOX-- no you really sound like a chick LMAO

Bigjakkstaffa

10-23-2002, 04:32 PM

no you really sound like a chick

And you argue like one - Ie You talk BS

--Jakk:t

NJEnviroguy

10-23-2002, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa

**** straight, some of the most intellignet ppl you will EVER MEET - will be off the younger age, why because we think oputside of the "box" as we are not constrained by society's expectations of adults, we are prepared to go against the grain and be anti-establishment.. we dont grow stale and pacifistic and stop questioing everything we're spoonfed by our government...

--Jakk:t

Unfortuneatly, a lot of young people don't realize that the older and "in the box" thinking people are the ones at the controls. You got to learn how to play the game and not look like you're "out of the box" and step on people's toes.

The ironic thing is that when someone gets older and they still hold strong to their principles from younger years, everyone just looks at that person as reliving those days. Never taking that person seriously.

Optimus Prime

10-23-2002, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by strat1

I thought the same thing 15 years ago when I was 15. I thought I was invisible, unstoppable-- No one could ever convince me otherwise so I am going to stop trying with you too! I grew up and realized I was not Superman-- you will too, its called Maturity!
Maybe in 10-15 years you will realize how naïve you were!

OUTSIDE THE BOX-- no you really sound like a chick LMAO

Honestly, there are so many points about this post i could make, but you know what, i am not even going to bother.

There is NO POINT in carrying on with this argument:

1)I am sick of your PATHETIC english, my 11 year old brother can spell better than you.

2)You side-step answers/questions, this post is an example.

3)You are too patriotic, there is no way i can convince you that i am right, with or without facts.

4)You keep acting as if you know more because you are older. Get real, i would say you are 20-25. Stop trying to act as if you are 60+.

5)You act as if you are better than me or jakk, once again i say get real, look outside, read our posts. Sheesh.

Now, if you make a stupid post about this i will not come back to the sysopt community again, as you are obviously too stupid to listen to me.

Bigjakkstaffa

10-23-2002, 05:02 PM

Yup - i agree with Optimus - i had been avoiding the community forum for the past few months because of ppl like you, i allowed this to be down to emotion and sentiment - 9/11 and all - it appears i was wrong - you must just be a full time fool - back to the serious stuff for me it is then...

--Jakk:t

j.m@talk

10-23-2002, 05:05 PM

Blimey Wer'e cookin' here :D

alivin

10-24-2002, 10:22 PM

I'd like to see this thread closed, too much mud being slung
:(

strat1

10-25-2002, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
1)I am sick of your PATHETIC english, my 11 year old brother can spell better than you. Sorry for not being perfect - I did make a few errors in Spelling, but did not think it was that bad! I do not have much time to proof read my responses, but that is no excuse. How many words did I misspell?
Originally posted by Optimus Prime
2)You side-step answers/questions, this post is an example.
Not sure if I believe you on this one, after reading the entire post, you seem to be the one avoiding the answers.

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
3)You are too patriotic, there is no way i can convince you that i am right, with or without facts. Try me on the facts, you have been far and few between in dispensing facts. I know that America has LOTS of big problems, but I believe that one can be patriotic and Critical of one's Government at the same time!
Originally posted by Optimus Prime
4)You keep acting as if you know more because you are older. Get real, i would say you are 20-25. Stop trying to act as if you are 60+. I think you are right here, I should have tried to get the point across that people do not know it all at the age of 17 or 30 or 60 and 100-- just that we should be open to learning something new!
Originally posted by Optimus Prime
5)You act as if you are better than me or jakk, once again i say get real, look outside, read our posts. Sheesh. I do read all your posts, and DO NOT think I am better than anyone-- I am just trying to understand Why you think the way you do by asking for facts. Originally posted by Optimus Prime
Now, if you make a stupid post about this i will not come back to the sysopt community again, as you are obviously too stupid to listen to me.
I really don't care if you do or don't- if you run away and hide cause you can't handle direct questions and direct answers- I will not lose sleep, but I will not be goaded into a name-calling and an emotional schoolyard fight.

strat1

10-25-2002, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
My GOD :eek:You actually believe what politicians say... your even denser than i though you were originally (All live news feeds and no personal and free thought make Strat1 a very dull boy indeed)--Jakk:t
I believe what The President of the United States has said during the few times he has spoken about the subject. I DO NOT always believe the Press's interpretation of his words. How the Foreign Press interprets the words of the president is Mind Boggling.
I did not say" I believe Politicians", I said the President --- Big Difference!

strat1

10-25-2002, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
Yup - i agree with Optimus - i had been avoiding the community forum for the past few months because of ppl like you, i allowed this to be down to emotion and sentiment - 9/11 and all - it appears i was wrong - you must just be a full time fool - back to the serious stuff for me it is then... --Jakk:t
Why am I a fool?
What the Hell is so hard about telling my why I am a fool.
I will even get you started...
1 . Cause I believe in the President's recent decisions about IRAQ?
2. Cause I am an American
3. Cause I believe the UN is should be disbanded?
4. Here is a Freebee -Cause if Saddam decides to Nuke anyone-- we are much closer!

And lets not say, cause he is dumb, or cause he is foolish, stupid ...... like all your schoolyard fights.

I do think it is great that many people from foreign countries have all this great intelligence from your media about the president that we don't!
This Post should be changed to the UK vs America prettty soon!