Win2k:One More Time!

[Aarmenaa]

Okay, I've installed Windows 2000 3 times now. Mostly, this is because I don't have much experience with Windows 2000, and I was kinda messing around. But, funtime's over. I've gotta get this thing working!

Here's a list of problems I haven't been able to work out through my trial and error:

1) Norton Antivirus - I've tried NAV 2002 and 2003. Neither of them will work correctly. Probably my fault, but I'm stumped.

2) Ahead Nero - It won't even start. It installs just fine, but it has a internal error:

nero.exe has generated errors and will be closed by Windows. You will need to restart the program.
3) Serurity options - Not really a problem, just a question. I almost have this figured out, but what are inherited permissions, and why can I not delete permissions because of inherited permissions?

Okay, that's all my Windows 2000 problems-I've got everything else figured out. Anyone have any experience with any of these problems?

-Aarmenaa

[BipolarBill]

Use AVG from Grisoft:

www.grisoft.com

The price is right!

As far as inherited permissions go, those are permissions that are inherited from the folder containing the folder you're working on. You can break inheritance in security and must do so in some cases. Look in Security > Advanced.

[sm8000]

A friend of mine couldn't get Norton Systemworks 2002 to install on his Win2k box. Taking his advice, I bought NSW 2001 and it works just fine. Remember to update constantly! (is 2k2 for XP?)

What version of Nero? Consider downloading an update for it.

I'm not quite sure, but to hazard a wild guess, I'd say inherited permissions are the security restrictions imposed on folders that are subdirectories. They take on the restrictions of their top level folder. For example, whatever permissions are set on C:\Program Files will also (by default) be set on C:\Program Files\Ahead Nero or whatever folders are found inside Program Files. I believe that's how it works in NTFS. Of course I could be miles wrong. If you want you can disable this in order to specify access to certain folders, so that your shared folders are available to diff't users.

[sm8000]

Thanks BpB, your post is a bit simpler than mine. You beat me to it, that's all. Cheers!

[Aarmenaa]

Wow-lots of responses! Sorry about not responding sooner-I passed out earlier than expected last night.

Actually, my NAV 2003 is part SystemWorks 2003. Everything else seems to work correctly, so I'm going to assume that it's just NAV-I think I'll just use the free stuff instead.

My version of Nero is the newest one available (5.5.9.14)-via the updates on their website. It will be a great travestey if I have to replace that software-I was really beginning to like it. Anyone else have problems with Nero?

I figured out my problem with inherited permissions-of course it gets it's permissions from the parent folder! I should've guessed. Too bad Win2k can't just tell me that-:).

-Aarmenaa

[sm8000]

Terminal Services must be enabled in order to install Norton 2003. Go to Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Services and open that. Locate Terminal Services, right-click and choose Properties. Click on the button labeled Start in the dialogue box that pops up, and also set Startup Type to Automatic. Then try installing it. I found this out at: http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm
This is a website I found here at Sysopt that discusses many services running in WinXP. Win2k has many similar ones, so maybe it will help.

As for Nero, I think the latest version out is 5.5.9.9, but if it's not at Ahead's website, then I don't know where to get it.

Don't expect Win2k to tell you much; it's very much a learn on the fly experience. But it's heavenly once you get the hang of it.

[Aarmenaa]

Now I'm back to the original reason I went to Win2k. The Windows Update function just crapped out again!

I decided to go to Win2k when my WinXP started having problems, espicially with Windows Update. My Win2k has now done the exact same thing as my 2k installation. It would seem that no one's heard of this problem, and no one know all that much about Windows Update, so I'm at the end of my knowledge.

I'm done with NT in general. I'm going back to Win98 SE. It may be buggy, but at least it updates! I now have 1 question: I am using Partiton Magic to convert my NTFS file system back to FAT32. I recieve this message:

An object index is present. Are you sure you want to continue the conversion and lose this information?
If I click yes, am I going to lose my files? I just want my files, on a FAT32 file system. I don't care about any security settings or attributes. What is an object index?

-Aaremnaa

[BipolarBill]

Did you ever consider that some whacky 3rd-party application you're installing may be causing this WU problem? I'd look into that if I were you.

Go ahead - it's just an index.

[Aarmenaa]

I formatted, installed Windows, installed drivers (via INF), and went to Windows Update. It's pretty much what I consider a "stock" system. I have no idea why I have such an isolated problem. I only know that WU works under 98 and ME, and stopped with 2k and XP.

My Win98SE was faster than XP ever was anyway-My new 98SE will run circles around my XP, as long as it stays running!;)

Okay, I'm going to go ahead an go back to FAT32. Kinda a shame really-I think I would've like 2k a lot...oh well.

-Aarmenaa

[Aarmenaa]

Wow-I forgot that my drive is compressed. 14 hours remaining to uncompress the drive-I guess this is gonna take a while, huh? I'll tell you guys how it went...tomorrow. :rolleyes:

-Aarmenaa

[BipolarBill]

The drive wasn't originally compressed in Win98, was it?

[sm8000]

You shouldn't let Windows update automatically. It may happen suddenly when you really need bandwidth (in the middle of an important file transfer, say, a driver download or antivirus update). Plus, I personally don't trust Microsoft enough to let them alter my computer. A shortcut to the Windows Update link exists in your Start menu. Checking it once a week has you covered, after all initial updates. But try to stick with Win2k if you can!!!

[Aarmenaa]

I only let windows update run when I tell it to. The problem is, I don't have any of the updates for Win2k, but Windows Update says I'm up to speed. I have attached a screenshot-take a look.

WinXP/2k has a compress folder function, available only to people who use the NTFS file system. It is much faster than any third part compression-it creates almost no performance hit. I have 1 drive for programs, and 1 drive for all my personal fies. I only my HD with my personal files compressed, as I wan't maximum performance in my games.

-Aarmenaa

PS-It doesn't matter anyways-I've already got Win98SE up and running. I may try a dual boot, though. I've never done a dual boot setup before-I should learn that.

Edited for typos and additional information.

[sm8000]

Wow, that is bizarre. I'm stumped at this point. Are you using a burned disc that somebody also put SP3 and IE6 on? That's all I can think of. Or maybe a brand-name system with a vendor's disc.
Good luck! I may also try a dual boot someday. Cheers.

[Aarmenaa]

No, my disk does not contain SP3. I have used this disk before, and it comes with no updates. I have to download SP3 and all the updates. No one has ever recognized the problem before, and their reaction is generally the same you had-"I have no idea." Neither do I, so I'm just going to stick with what I know: my 98SE works perfectly.

-Aarmenaa

PS-I really like that Partition Magic program-very useful! And I thought I would never need it...:r

[genesound]

How do you hook up to the internet, dial-up, xdsl, cable, and do you use a router?

edit - P.S. I couldn't use windows update in 2k or xp and fixed it. Win9x worked ok, though...:t

[Aarmenaa]

I'm on DSL, through a router. My NT computer is connected directly to the router via a 100MBS full duplex connection (effectively 200MBS). My router is a Linksys BEFSR41, and my DSL is 256k PPPOE connection. What could this possibily have to do with my WU problems? My connection is solid-it doesn't disconnect during the update process.

-Aarmenaa

[genesound]

That's exactly what I thought and also almost exactly my configuration, I have a different router and a 1.5M pppoe connect. WU worked fine in 98se, but 2k and xp crapped, seeming to finish but nothing available.

It was an IT guy at my bank that suggested my MTU size was probably too big and was intermittantly giving me trouble at a certain part of their site, so I set the MTU size for the ethernet adaptor down to 1464, his suggestion. Well all of online banking started working great so I immediately went to Windows Update and **** if it did't work too.

There's a utility at http://www.dslreports.com called DrTCP that will adjust the registry for you. There are also some faqs that will shed some light on various settings. In wp and 2k i think the default MTU size is 1500, but on xp it's less.

Hope this helps... :t

[genesound]

Here's the download page for DrTCP (http://www.dslreports.com/front/drtcp.html), and here's the faq (http://www.dslreports.com/faq/tweaks). There's a lot more info and tools there... look around, there's info on setting the MTU on your router. :t

[Aarmenaa]

yea, I've used Dr.TCP before-it's a pretty nice little program. My Win2k installation is gone now, but I may just have to learn how to dual-boot, so I can try this. I'm going to be very...mad...(note the restraint from cursing) if the only problem is an MTU size!:rolleyes:

-Aarmenaa:t

[genesound]

yeah, I used it years ago when i set up my first dsl. I did a search on MTU here in the forums and found quite a few references on this very thing... it seems pppoe requires no bigger than 1492 mtu size to prevent overruns, also certain sites may have other restrictions...:t