Should newbies suffer as we did?

[BipolarBill]

I just set up an utter n00b with WinXP and DSL. He'll never know the agony of 6 hour wait to update IE or a 24 hour debacle with SP1. I wonder if he can truly appreciate how broadband changed the home connection experience.

What's your take on this?

[$1500-P4 gamer]

He'll never apreciate it like he would have if gone from dial-up to that. Just like you said, if he sufferd download times like we have, then he would know. How about 5 hours for a game demo...that really blows!:(

[tranka32]

My reasoning on this bpbill is that I'm still one of the poor lost souls suffering with 56kbps. And it hurts,, should they feel the pain? "yes", should they suffer an eternity of neverending d/l's and sp's, "no, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy'. LOL, "well maybe".:(

[Strider714]

Don't you think they might appreciate improvements in access time if they could see an example of how things used to be ? Some of the people I work with even expect the computer to somehow read their mind and perform some function by virtue of the fact they have sat down in front of the monitor! Does anyone know of any program or presentation that affords an overview of PC progression? Maybe even a screen shot of how matrix printed docs look (and could they even get to hear how LOUD those printers were)?
LOL Bill I bet you are going to be taken for granted unless they gain some perspective!:t

[muchmark]

My friend in Guyana is at this moment downloading XP SP1 on 56K modem, I feel sorry for him its going to take all day.

[bonz_dragon]

How about this for a good example of wasting time. Have them defrag the HD after 6 mo. of heavy use on a large drive. Last time took me a few hrs. Or at least it felt like it!

[bushmaster]

Ahh. The not so good ole days. yes and I actually knew what my connection speed was going to be by listening to the tones my modem was exchanging with the server. We knew it was basically pointless to try and dial-up at 7pm. Not to fear Bill. Eventually that nooB will be reminiscing about the days of slow and cumbersome broadband connections after the world is all wireless. And how our desktops were all cluttered by LCD panels before holographic image projection became affordable. Man and remember when you actually needed a keyboard and mouse in the days before they started doing the neural implants? Gosh it was so archaic back then.

Let's just hope it's not M$ doing the firmware updates for our implants LOL.

[TARP2]

Your noob will just experience a different kind of suffering. Just think of jumping into a technology already 20 years old, with no idea of how it came about. There is so, so much more to learn now than there was with just a dial up.(I'm still stuck at 56k)

My elders are having caniptions trying to understand it all, and if you werent lucky enough to have suffered the learning curve in the past, it is very difficult. To them, broadband is just another newfangled machine to wrestle with.

It doesnt help that they are Amish.... J/K;)

[ukulele]

Broadband? What's broadband? I got a laugh a while back when a new neighbor asked me if I could please have a look at their computer and help them connect it up to the internet. I called my ISP and got a new account setup for him and then hooked him up with the modem. He got a pretty good connection for this area, but he called me up the next day and complained that his connection was just way to slow. So I go back over to see what the problem was. I couldn't find anything wrong and asked him what the problem was. He told me it must just be a junk ISP provider. The last one he had was Roadrunner! When I told him we don't have broadband in Ocean View, he just looked at me in disbelief. His only comment was how can anyone live like that? He is probably still crying in his beer.

Last month some bone head moved into the community and opened up an internet cafe here. I haven't stopped in yet but I can't help wondering just how well it going to go over charging $9.00 an hour for one shared dial up connection! :eek:

[j.m@talk]

I hate N00b's -- 0ldies -- & In-bet-weenies :D


Round em' up puttem' in a field & bomb the B@st***s
:r :r :r :r

[Bovon]

Originally posted by j.m@talk21.com
I hate N00b's -- 0ldies -- & In-bet-weenies :D


Round em' up puttem' in a field & bomb the B@st***s
:r :r :r :r Watch it bub!!! :D

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by Bovon
Watch it bub!!! :D

OOPS :(

[couch potato]

I feel sorry for all those people with 56k that try to join a mohaa server, but get kicked beccause of their ping:( *sigh* cant everyone in the world with a computer just have a broadband connection??:(

[animesage_lorne]

I wish it was that easy. I JUST got broadband myself.

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by couch potato
I feel sorry for all those people with 56k that try to join a mohaa server, but get kicked beccause of their ping:( *sigh* cant everyone in the world with a computer just have a broadband connection??:(

You can certainly pay 4 my broadband connection if you like :p

(That make you happier) ??? :D

[Optimus Prime]

DO you have Broadband yet j.m ?

and j.m, aren't you an 0ldie? ;)

[AllGamer]

All the countries should move on to Wireless DSL, that way we wont have the needs for wire anymore :D

[ukulele]

All the countries should move on to Wireless DSL, that way we wont have the needs for wire anymore

Hackers delight. :x

[Baddog]

Trying to talk my wife in to letting me get satellite down here in the swamp:eek: :D

[Beeblequix]

I just progressed to the neXT phase last Friday. I LOVE DSL!!! I'm half inclined to take my modem, 17,000,000 AOL discs and our crappy phone (just for kicks) out to the gun range for VENGENCE. :x

I think we should charge extra to n00Bies. If not for the fact that they wouldn't know any better, but simply for our past suffering. We could form a not-necessarily-non-profit CHERCH group and call the fee a penance. Think of all the n00Bies; now think of all that CAPITAL! We're talking a new movement in the spirit of conspiration. "All shall love me and despair!!" All owing to my own, my precious. ☺

ßeeßle Qµix

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
DO you have Broadband yet j.m ?

and j.m, aren't you an 0ldie? ;)

Tuesday is my "Yesindeedy" day :D

Not too old to kick your **** Optimus :r :r :r

[Bovon]

Think of all the n00Bies; now think of all that CAPITAL! We're talking a new movement in the spirit of conspiration. "All shall love me and despair!!" All owing to my own, my precious.While you are "thinking about" this 'n that...think about us OLD FA**S who have dealt with 9 k modems...yep, there was such a thing, and no DSL or broadband to go too. A 2-mb download could take most all day it felt like, @ 1 kb/sec. or less.

ISPs were as scarce as hens teeth.

There are lots of us...old and young...family types too...that struggle to just afford the 56K dial-up services. I would certainly love to have cable...or at least DSL, but theres no way...if I want to eat and pay other bills.

So...have fun guys, but do think about what you are saying sometimes about everybody should be on cable/DSL. There are reasons we are not joining you. I had hoped that the cablevision companies (Time-Warner) would offer some kind of a senior citizen package, but it dosn't look very promising.

[jad1097]

Bovon, the cost of DSL is not much more than a second phone line and an ISP. It cost about $35-40 a month to have a 2nd phone and a dial up ISP, I pay $45 a month for DSL including ISP. It's not that expensive even for low income families.






Give all the newbies a 14.4 modem for the first week.

[ukulele]

You are right on there Bovon. I never have a problem with downloads anyway on a modem. I down load at night and my ISP provider gives me first class access with viris protection and spam filters. Until they offer broadband here at a competive price, I'll stick with the old method of keeping the browser lean and using a download manager. It seems to many people want instant gratification but their quality of life is not necessarily better then mine, the way I see it. :)

[Bovon]

Jad, I have 1 phone line @ $22 bucks/mo and my ISP is $22 bucks/mo too. thats $44 bucks/mo out of my piddling retirement income. I couldn't stand another $23 bucks out of whats left. My dang "pills" costs nearly $200/mo. I love to eat, and that is usually around $400/mo. Gasoline isn't absolutely necessary..but costly if you must drive...my old vehicle only gets about 12 mpg around town, and maybe 15 mpg on the Interstate. Talk about cutting the budget thin...I really do.

Note to all...get a good retirement policy while you are young enough, never depend on SS...it may not be there for you later. Get a good prescription medication plan going before you need it. It will cost you huge bucks later on if you wait.

[jad1097]

Bovon, believe me I understand where you are coming from. 2 cars, the one that gets 12-17mpg is the reliable one (84 olds delta 88) and at 60+ miles a day it is not cheap to drive. 2 children to feed, rent, electric, phone/DSL, etc… on $275 a week ( after tax and ins) is very difficult. If I went to work it would be so much easier but then I would end up paying someone to raise my children, which is against my beliefs. When my wife decides she wants to stay home and take care of the kids we will no longer live in poverty but until then….here we are.

[leprechaun_40]

I love DSL now I have it. Had a dialup and all I could get was 28.8 on a good day, crappy phonelines in an older part of town. I'd do most of my large downloads either while I was at work (start it before leaving the house, recheck at lunch) or at bedtime and let it run the night. I only had one line, could never afford 2. Now I am in better circumstances (sorta) and have DSL, I'll never go back:x

Noobs ought to try living with old machines, slow connections, one line, and the such to see what we've had to put up with.

Hey, those old AOL cd's,, they make good coasters, hi tech look:D :D :D

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by ukulele
many people want instant gratification............

Too right ;)

[jad1097]

Bovon, I’m not trying to tell you what you can or can’t afford. I am just trying to say it is more affordable than most people think. I hope you don’t take what I said wrong.


Oh, the reason for mentioning the second phone line is. My landlord does this. I tried to explain to him for what he pays for AOL and the second phone line he could easily afford the extra cost of DSL because it would only cost him about $10 a month more. IMO it is worth the additional $10 just not to have to dial in all the time. My brother does the same thing and he can afford it but he does not think it is worth the additional cost. They have two computers that often tied up both phone lines, so he got a third phone line. All three lines cost more than the DSL would cost him but he thinks it is a waste of money, go figure.

[j.m@talk]

On a more serious note,

I know where you guys are comming from with the tight $ thing

I have just taken a second job to attempt to keep things going
:mad: I'm deff doing somthing wrong but, sitting here wont pay the bills so I'm off.................... (Panic not I wont work too hard) :p

[gjimene2]

I remember that on the private school I was going to had a 14.4 modem that they shared from a small room upstairs with the principal and secretary, so there where like 12 comps with that connection, and ****, it sucked.


Heck, I even remember, and Devon remembers this too!. I remmeber that you had a phone book with current IP numbers that you typed up to get a page :) sucked too.


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reading these last posts makes me feel down that alot of peeps can't afford a high speed connection.

Too bad that when they take out SS out of your check they don't include future medication cost or that uncle sam keeps the bux we make.

I consider mysself lucky that I still live at home, and that after helping out my parent's with the house bills, like utlity and food, cleaning products, ect. ect. and still have enough to pay my phone bill which is 20 bucks and my dsl bill wich is 30 bucks per month for six months (on my third or fourth month I think) so I have like a 50 buck bill, and after that it'll jump to 70bucks for everything.

It also pisses me off seeing that retired people don't get much from ss. I've heard of how they cought an elderly couple having to eat dry dog food because it was cheaper than buying regular food and needed the money.

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As far for the noobs, give em a 9600baud modem, hehehe, then tell them that they should try going to joecartoon or shockwave, :)