P4 2.53 GHz + P4S533 won't boot!

[mmccord]

Any help would be appreciated since I'm totally stuck.

I recently purchased a CPU+Mobo combo that just isn't working. Here are my basic specs as I tested:

P4 2.53 GHz
Asus P4S533 motherboard with SiS 645DX chipset
256 MB Samsung PC2700 RAM
TEAC 3.5" floppy drive
Geforce 256 Graphics card

I first set this system up with all my compoenets hooked up, but since I've gotten errors I've stripped the system down to bare bones to eliminate any other problems. I'm just trying to get this to first boot to a floppy.

When powering on, I get to the BIOS screen as expected. I let all the factory defaults stand. The motherboard is jumperless, so the BIOS selected the CPU speed as 2.53 GHz. I basically can't get past this point. I'll close out the BIOS setup screen, the system reboots and then hangs after the inital POST. I get all the way up to "ESCD Updated Successfully". Then nothing....

After rebooting, BIOS pops up and says the CPU was not at the proper speed. I figured that the mobo must be bad since a bad CPU is so rare. So I put the CPU into another P4S533 a friend has that is working with a P4. I get the same error.

I checked with the combo supplier, and they said:
a) the graphics card must be AGP 4X
b) the heatsink from Intel can bend the mobo and cause a bad connection
c) the memory might not be compliant

I'm not too sure about reason A, the system should be backwards compliant, but I have AGP 4X anyway.

I've never heard of reason B. Wouldn't it take tons of pressure to do this?

For reason C , :confused:I thought the PC2700 was compatible with the P4S533 and the P4 2.53 GHz, so that shouldn't be the case.

Could I really have a stinker CPU? Please help! I'm lost!

Thanks,
Mark

[BipolarBill]

If the error occurs in another working P4 system, you have a bogus CPU. If it doesn't, I would suspect cheap memory.

[bushmaster]

The motherboard is not jumperless.


There are jumpers on that board in the form of switches that change the settings of the cpu settings as well as the memory( base freq. is 166Mhz for 2700). Make sure they are set for your memory as well. As well as there are jumpers to adjust the voltage to your ddr ram, and one to change the voltage to your cpu.
You also have the aux power supply connector as well as the atx 12V1 connector on that board .

OOOOPS JUST saw what you wrote about the other board and what Bill said. Me need to pay more attention in class. Sounds like RMA time for you.

[mossman]

I have the identical board using a P4 1.6
with a 512mg Pc 2100 memory, but your 2700 willl work. My experience was when I first setup the board the board can be setup as jumperless or with manual settings. In jumperless mode all settings are through the bios. You may have a hardware problem or not be setup properly! Jumperless mode (automatic) requires correct bios settings.
In the bios you can change the cpu speed by using + or - using auto or using manual you can change cpu speed and voltages. The P4 needs power. You should have a 350 or 400 W power supply. On this board you can use either the 350 ATX regular power connector or the special P4 pwer supply if you have one. From the ground up.
1. Hardware - I just came back from our regular supply shop and their techs who do tons of these tell me that if there is too much grease between the cpu and the heatsink you will have problems. I have always used it but they say to use very little or none. If you put it together you may have used too much grease.. All of the faster CPUs run much hotter so they need better cooling. I am running a Thermaltake Dragon copper orb. Are you sure you have a true 2.53cpu from a retail box or is that a guess.? My cpu is 1.6 but can be overclocked to 2.4 with a simple change in the bios. If you set the speed to high or the voltages too high
the computer will crash. There is an intel program you can run which will telll you what the cpu is. Also when you setup the bios this board can talk to you. In the bios there is a selection for audible dos beep or sound at post. If you have speakers and you enable the sound at post the computer will talk to you. If you can not do this enable the dos beep option and usually the computer send out a string of dos beeps which will identify a problem. No manual ? Download from www.Asus .com. Also sometimes you need to clear the Cmos after changing CPUs for the mobo to work properly .If you are using a video card with DDR be sure to change the jumper upper right corner. See page 8 manual Let me Know how you do. Good luck

[Bazango]

I have the same motherboard and I am having the same problems. I have a 2.0 Ghz P4 400 Mhz FSB Intel chip, KVR333X64C25/256 256MB PC2700 memory and have tried various graphics boards including a PCI board. The boot hangs and may or may not go into BIOS. I get no Voice report and the last few tries, no Splash screen. The few times I was in BIOS, I could not change the year from 1999. I once finally got into Windows XP, but it booted to a warning with various boot options including a Safe Mode.

Does anyone have any further information on this board and what my problems might be?

[Bazango]

I have the same motherboard and I am having the same problems. I have a 2.0 Ghz P4 400 Mhz FSB Intel chip, KVR333X64C25/256 256MB PC2700 memory and have tried various graphics boards including a PCI board. The boot hangs and may or may not go into BIOS. I get no Voice report and the last few tries, no Splash screen. The few times I was in BIOS, I could not change the year from 1999. I once finally got into Windows XP, but it booted to a warning with various boot options including a Safe Mode.

Does anyone have any further information on this board and what my problems might be?

[mossman]

Whatever you do: DON"T PANIC and do not just give up. It really is a process. They don't call the cpu a processor for nothing. It sounds like you have 2 problems. WIN XP IS LIKELY TO BE ONE OF THEM!
But basics first. Is the system powering up? Do you have an led on the front of your tower showing the power coming on(usually green)? The next light to flash should be a red hard drive light on the front of the tower. Can you hear the fans coming on? Once the power is on check your monitor. Most of todays monitors have an indicator that goes from orange to green or red to green showing the monitor is on. Did you get a dos
beep of any kind? If power comes on,monitor light on, hard drive engages, and no bios first replace battery on motherboard. Then try again. Bios may have been corrupted by windows or attempt to update. If you made backup of bios you can reflash the bios either with the original or download flash program and bios from ASUS and correct bios.
When bios comes up step through each setting and make sure they are correct. Also memory may not be seated properly. Reinstall memory. The 2700 runs hot. Heat spreaders are inexpensive, easily installed and a good idea. If hard drive not responding reverse cable with red line to the other side. If you follow the steps you can isolate at what point the tower actually stops
and then you know where to begin checking. I changed to a 2.4g cpu 533fsb pentium 4 with 512
2700 memory and a 52X cdrw and the system runs fine. A note that not all monitors are not compatible with todays video adapters. How old is monitor? To make matters worse as I suggested above even if you get the system to boot
unless you have XP drivers and XP compatible software for everything including the most updated
XP bios you may still have problems particulary with the video adapters. I got an ASUS Nvidia T1
4400 which will not run with the drivers new out of the box! You absolutely must get the latest
drivers direct from NVIDIA or ATI specific for XP as well as the agp and ide driver updates on this
board before anything will work 100% You were
better off getting everything set with Win 98SE
and then changing over if that was possible. In any event there are lots of free diagnostics you can get to test hard drive, memory, video card and
other hardware once you narrow down the problem.
At the speed things happen when the system powers on I know its hard to "see" or hear all the things going on to really tell where you have a problem,
but it is possible to reach some basic conclusions. Let me know how far you get.

[Bazango]

Thanks for your response.

I have found a few things. First, a jumper was set to turn the Vocal POST function off which is why I wasn't hearing anything. Now with the processor installed, I get a "CPU not installed" warning. I've looked at the processor and a pin is missing on the corner opposite to the corner where two pins are supposed to be missing. I think that is my problem.

Why would a pin be missing like that?

[mossman]

Usually if it was from an open box it was a tech in a hurry to try and assemble a new system who just got careless and then tried to cover up their mistake and protect their job, but with the tens of thousands on the factory line boo boos happen.
With cpu's what may happen once in a blue moon is static damage which is far more difficult to detect.
Thats why it pays to buy from a local dealer who will normally just exhange it and send it back under warranty. I just bought an Nvidia Ti 4200
that ran for 2 weeks when the fan suddenly stopped working and all kinds of goofy things started to happen. I had a heck of a time trying to spot the problem and even when I new exactly what it was the dealer insisted on having his own techs confirm what I already knew. But they did eventually replace the board. Warranties on this stuff may extend beyond what you expect so you should always check warranty status before you buy and confirm it after you buy. Even if the dealer
rips you off the suppliers may help you out. I got a bad Maxtor hard drive that installed fine but ran only a month and was kaput but Maxtor sent
me another which is working fine. Now that you know what your main problem is your P4 is probably under warranty and you should have no problem getting it replaced. When you put the new chip in don't forget to clear the CMOS first so there will be no old garbage left from trying to fix your problem. You should find this board works well and hopefully for some time before you will need to change again. Good luck.

[Bazango]

I posted over at the CPU and overclocking forum about the P4 chip. I got the chip used from an internet retailer, www.compgeeks.com. Since the chip is not too old, does it still have RMA potential even if it is used?

[Bazango]

And, I think the jumper problem was my fault. There is another jumper next to it that is not identified in the manual and I must have confused them or something. I did a thorough precheck of jumper settings before I booted up the first time.

[mossman]

Now you know why I was careful to point out you should have checked the warranty status before buying and then be careful to register when you bought. But hindsight is always 20/20. In any event the pecking order when something goes wrong
is you need to confirm the terms and conditions attached to where you purchased it. If the seller specifically sold it as damaged you will have a much harder time. If the unit was sold as working I would go after the seller first. If you reached that site through someone like EBay they have their own help system to resolve problems. If all else fails then you may be able to get some help from Intel since if memory serves me right the cpu warranty is 3 years. However there are some conditions which apply to the "limited"
warranty so you may not get a completely free replacement but it will probably still be better than having completely lost your shirt trying to work on a limited budget or looking for the best
deal. Good luck.

[revcarl]

In the BIOS go to CPU PnP Setup, there check to make sure that the CPU Speed is set to 133/133MHs, if it is not, Pg up-down to correct the setting, there is a battery for the clock that sometimes get off due usually to being bumped or the computer jostled, maybe from handling the motherboard when installed. any incorrect CPU Speed setting will cause this error.

[Bazango]

Thanks all for responding to my own update to this problem, but I'm pretty confident the board is in good shape. My problem now is what to do with the processor.