germanjulian
08-29-2002, 05:16 PM
does anyone notice any benchmark performce increase using the beta n40 drivers? onky for winxp and 2000! on the nvidia.com page??
Click to See Complete Forum and Search --> : Nvidia n 40 drivers
Bigjakkstaffa
08-29-2002, 05:18 PM
...why...should we??...
--Jakk:t
--Jakk:t
AllGamer
08-29-2002, 05:23 PM
not all the times
new drivers = more performance
i remember a few releases that actually made it worse
or some other releases that was just to update the options you have on the Settings panel
:D
but current non beta version 30x did inclease the scores by 6 FPS !!
wohoo! LOL :r a whole 6 FPS
new drivers = more performance
i remember a few releases that actually made it worse
or some other releases that was just to update the options you have on the Settings panel
:D
but current non beta version 30x did inclease the scores by 6 FPS !!
wohoo! LOL :r a whole 6 FPS
germanjulian
08-29-2002, 05:25 PM
nvidia said increase in performence is 15%!!!!!!!!!!! thats a lot
Bigjakkstaffa
08-29-2002, 05:49 PM
21.81 were the first upgrade i made back in the days of my gf2mx400 and i saw a massive leap from the stock driver scroes, since then i didnt see massive gains and sometimes even losses, the two sets of Nvidia drivers ive used on my new card seem to have negligible difference between them when it comes to perfromance to be honest :(
--Jakk:t
--Jakk:t
NDD
08-29-2002, 06:34 PM
Actually I DID notice quite an improvement.
Only tested with 3DMark2001SE for now, but got 5366 points instead of 5140 with 30.82. First time increase since the 22.80 version !!! :)
1GHz T-Bird/GF3Ti200/WXP
Only tested with 3DMark2001SE for now, but got 5366 points instead of 5140 with 30.82. First time increase since the 22.80 version !!! :)
1GHz T-Bird/GF3Ti200/WXP
uncle_jimbo
08-29-2002, 08:41 PM
31.00 - 9262
40.41 - 9836
40.41 - 9836
Bigjakkstaffa
08-30-2002, 06:51 AM
What card you packin uncle jimbo??
Thats quite a leap :D
--Jakk:t
Thats quite a leap :D
--Jakk:t
DocEvi1
08-30-2002, 11:35 AM
8126 with 29.80
8768 with 40.40 :D
Stefan
8768 with 40.40 :D
Stefan
Bigjakkstaffa
08-30-2002, 04:11 PM
Yet again, quite a rise... lookign forward to when they go official (i dont DO betas, dontchya know)
--Jakk:t
--Jakk:t
AllGamer
08-30-2002, 04:22 PM
i got an inclease of 35 extra Frames in average across all kind of nVidia vid cards i have here with me ranging from 34 to 37 extra flames.
:t not bad for some older Riva TNT 64
same amount of inclease on a GF4, kinda weird but maybe logical, maybe. :confused: :D
:t not bad for some older Riva TNT 64
same amount of inclease on a GF4, kinda weird but maybe logical, maybe. :confused: :D
Bigjakkstaffa
08-30-2002, 04:38 PM
Come come now AG, where computers are concerned - logic flys out of the window all together...
--Jakk:t
--Jakk:t
AllGamer
08-30-2002, 04:53 PM
Yup! :D
the irony in Computers.
Computer suppose to be Logical, but instead they are just as un-logical as humans.
well like they say
"like father like son"
;) :p
... on a side note, i was hoping to get more out of the GF4
but with a range of different setups and nvidia vid cards, the average has been 35 FPS extra for each machine.
the irony in Computers.
Computer suppose to be Logical, but instead they are just as un-logical as humans.
well like they say
"like father like son"
;) :p
... on a side note, i was hoping to get more out of the GF4
but with a range of different setups and nvidia vid cards, the average has been 35 FPS extra for each machine.
Bigjakkstaffa
08-30-2002, 05:39 PM
Any ideas as to when an official "risk free" release will be... like i say im lotahe to use beta's, however these hugey framerate increases im hearing of are becoming increasingly tempting :x
--Jakk:t
--Jakk:t
jmichna
08-30-2002, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by germanjulian
does anyone notice any benchmark performce increase using the beta n40 drivers? onky for winxp and 2000! on the nvidia.com page?? german...
40.41s -- 11,939
29.60s -- 11,298 (were previously fastest drivers on my system)
XP2100+ @140fsb (1.830gHz), AX7/Sunon 80mm@3900rpm/50cfm
EPoX 8K3A+, vcore@1.85, vmem@2.90, DDR@350mHz
MSI Ti4400, core@300, mem@600
Seems they helped a bit over previous best. Tried to push the vid card to core@310, mem@620 but 3D2K1se wouldn't complete test.
jmichna
does anyone notice any benchmark performce increase using the beta n40 drivers? onky for winxp and 2000! on the nvidia.com page?? german...
40.41s -- 11,939
29.60s -- 11,298 (were previously fastest drivers on my system)
XP2100+ @140fsb (1.830gHz), AX7/Sunon 80mm@3900rpm/50cfm
EPoX 8K3A+, vcore@1.85, vmem@2.90, DDR@350mHz
MSI Ti4400, core@300, mem@600
Seems they helped a bit over previous best. Tried to push the vid card to core@310, mem@620 but 3D2K1se wouldn't complete test.
jmichna
uncle_jimbo
08-30-2002, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
What card you packin uncle jimbo??
Thats quite a leap :D
--Jakk:t
GeForce4 Ti4400
What card you packin uncle jimbo??
Thats quite a leap :D
--Jakk:t
GeForce4 Ti4400
jmichna
08-30-2002, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by jmichna
german...
40.41s -- 11,939
29.60s -- 11,298 (were previously fastest drivers on my system)
XP2100+ @140fsb (1.830gHz), AX7/Sunon 80mm@3900rpm/50cfm
EPoX 8K3A+, vcore@1.85, vmem@2.90, DDR@350mHz
MSI Ti4400, core@300, mem@600
Seems they helped a bit over previous best. Tried to push the vid card to core@310, mem@620 but 3D2K1se wouldn't complete test.
jmichna UPDATE
Went back to 29.60s. Was experiencing random lockups and BSODs with the 40.41s... even with no OC and just doing stuff like email and word processing. These new drivers are fast but buggy on my system.
jmichna
german...
40.41s -- 11,939
29.60s -- 11,298 (were previously fastest drivers on my system)
XP2100+ @140fsb (1.830gHz), AX7/Sunon 80mm@3900rpm/50cfm
EPoX 8K3A+, vcore@1.85, vmem@2.90, DDR@350mHz
MSI Ti4400, core@300, mem@600
Seems they helped a bit over previous best. Tried to push the vid card to core@310, mem@620 but 3D2K1se wouldn't complete test.
jmichna UPDATE
Went back to 29.60s. Was experiencing random lockups and BSODs with the 40.41s... even with no OC and just doing stuff like email and word processing. These new drivers are fast but buggy on my system.
jmichna
JuNacy
08-30-2002, 11:11 PM
I've noticed a bit of improvement as well...
30.82--->6957
40.41--->7233
Not bad. Everything stable so far...for now anyway
30.82--->6957
40.41--->7233
Not bad. Everything stable so far...for now anyway
DocEvi1
08-31-2002, 06:41 AM
I agree that they are buggy....I thought they were official :eek: I don't do beta's either :eek:
Stefan
Stefan
Bigjakkstaffa
08-31-2002, 08:20 AM
Hmmn wonder wht they'll get outta my ti4200, WHEN they go official...
--Jakk:t
--Jakk:t
OpK Chowdy
08-31-2002, 11:59 AM
Athlon Tbird 1.4ghz @ 1.53ghz
Soyo Dragon Lite
256MB PC2700
Geforce4ti4200 128mb
30.82: 8199
beta40: 9119
...that's a lot! now my stock scores are higher than my old OCed scores. (on 30.82 oced to 300/550 my score was 8880!) :eek:
Soyo Dragon Lite
256MB PC2700
Geforce4ti4200 128mb
30.82: 8199
beta40: 9119
...that's a lot! now my stock scores are higher than my old OCed scores. (on 30.82 oced to 300/550 my score was 8880!) :eek:
apocalypse
08-31-2002, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by germanjulian
nvidia said increase in performence is 15%!!!!!!!!!!! thats a lot
no they didn't, they said "Up to a 25% increase in performance". though that is probably on older cards at lower resolutions, as the newer cards are already maxing out.
have a look at the statement here:
http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=winxp-2k_40.41
i tried them out and i did go from 168 fps to 173 fps in quake3, a 1.03% increase. that is with 1024x768, 32 bit colors, geforce4 ti 4200 OC'd to 4400 specs.
as far as bugginess, the new drivers make all openGL games really dark, and i went back to the 30.82 version.
nvidia said increase in performence is 15%!!!!!!!!!!! thats a lot
no they didn't, they said "Up to a 25% increase in performance". though that is probably on older cards at lower resolutions, as the newer cards are already maxing out.
have a look at the statement here:
http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=winxp-2k_40.41
i tried them out and i did go from 168 fps to 173 fps in quake3, a 1.03% increase. that is with 1024x768, 32 bit colors, geforce4 ti 4200 OC'd to 4400 specs.
as far as bugginess, the new drivers make all openGL games really dark, and i went back to the 30.82 version.
compman67
08-31-2002, 02:37 PM
:t
AllGamer
08-31-2002, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
Hmmn wonder wht they'll get outta my ti4200, WHEN they go official...
--Jakk:t
They are OFFICIAL now
i got it off the nVidia website
and the was not a single note about being any beta
here check it out:
Windows XP/2000
Version: 40.41
File Size: 9 MB
Release Date: August 29, 2002
WHQL Certification Pending
Download
» Primary Download Site «
If you are unsuccessful downloading from the primary download site please use the mirror site options below:
» Mirror Site 1
» Mirror Site 2
» Mirror Site 3
Release Highlights:
* Up to a 25% increase in performance
* nView™ 2.0 multi-display technology increases productivity and provides the necessary tools to control the way users access and view applications.
* NVRotate™ enabling image rotation on today’s advanced flat panel displays.
* NVKeystone™ allows for real-time image correction on portable projectors and heads-up displays.
* Digital Vibrance Control™ allows users to adjust color controls to achieve accurate, bright colors under all conditions.
* New control panel streamlines user interface and enables faster and easier access to all video settings
* Robust Channels enables higher faster performance and better stability for all applications through fail-safe paths in the drivers
* CineFX Simulator allows developers to use Cg—“C for graphics”—to write complex shaders in a high level language faster and more easily than before.
* NVIDIA’s patented Unified Driver Architecture (UDA) – supports all products in a single driver binary
http://nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=winxp-2k_40.41
Hmmn wonder wht they'll get outta my ti4200, WHEN they go official...
--Jakk:t
They are OFFICIAL now
i got it off the nVidia website
and the was not a single note about being any beta
here check it out:
Windows XP/2000
Version: 40.41
File Size: 9 MB
Release Date: August 29, 2002
WHQL Certification Pending
Download
» Primary Download Site «
If you are unsuccessful downloading from the primary download site please use the mirror site options below:
» Mirror Site 1
» Mirror Site 2
» Mirror Site 3
Release Highlights:
* Up to a 25% increase in performance
* nView™ 2.0 multi-display technology increases productivity and provides the necessary tools to control the way users access and view applications.
* NVRotate™ enabling image rotation on today’s advanced flat panel displays.
* NVKeystone™ allows for real-time image correction on portable projectors and heads-up displays.
* Digital Vibrance Control™ allows users to adjust color controls to achieve accurate, bright colors under all conditions.
* New control panel streamlines user interface and enables faster and easier access to all video settings
* Robust Channels enables higher faster performance and better stability for all applications through fail-safe paths in the drivers
* CineFX Simulator allows developers to use Cg—“C for graphics”—to write complex shaders in a high level language faster and more easily than before.
* NVIDIA’s patented Unified Driver Architecture (UDA) – supports all products in a single driver binary
http://nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=winxp-2k_40.41
Bigjakkstaffa
08-31-2002, 03:11 PM
im using beta as a term to describe them, nvidia isnt fully supporting them, and states in the liscence use em at tour own risk, and if it goes t!ts up we dont wanna hear about it, this in my book is the same as dloading some beta's... just look at thje number of ppl who are suffering BSOD's etc because of em, i'll wait until they take down the 30.28's and replace em with the 40.xx's myself before taking a look...
--Jakk:t
--Jakk:t
AllGamer
08-31-2002, 03:26 PM
Got them running on 5 of my PC no problem so far. :t :D
and they all passed the 3DMarks and PcMarks tests
so do me these are very stable :p
The only reason why nVidia is not fully supporting them cuz it's only missing the Windoze signature on them )-|
and they all passed the 3DMarks and PcMarks tests
so do me these are very stable :p
The only reason why nVidia is not fully supporting them cuz it's only missing the Windoze signature on them )-|
RamonGTP
08-31-2002, 05:02 PM
Here's what I just got from nVidia's web site
Detonator 40 is the beta graphics driver for all NVIDIA Graphics Processing Units (GPUs). Detonator 40 supports 2D graphics, DirectX 8.1, OpenGL 1.4, nView Desktop Management software version 2.0, NVRotate. NVKeystone, Digital Vibrance Control and includes a new control panel and the CineFX emulator. Through NVIDIA’s Unified Driver Architecture, Detonator software supports all GPUs below in a single driver.
On a side note, i'm using them and my games seem to be working fine.
-Ramon
Detonator 40 is the beta graphics driver for all NVIDIA Graphics Processing Units (GPUs). Detonator 40 supports 2D graphics, DirectX 8.1, OpenGL 1.4, nView Desktop Management software version 2.0, NVRotate. NVKeystone, Digital Vibrance Control and includes a new control panel and the CineFX emulator. Through NVIDIA’s Unified Driver Architecture, Detonator software supports all GPUs below in a single driver.
On a side note, i'm using them and my games seem to be working fine.
-Ramon
AllGamer
08-31-2002, 05:22 PM
hmm... that's odd
care to copy and paste a link here?
how come of all the time i visit their website i don't see that Warning about being Beta?
care to copy and paste a link here?
how come of all the time i visit their website i don't see that Warning about being Beta?
Bigjakkstaffa
08-31-2002, 07:35 PM
Its under the liscence agreement and general PR spiel bits you have to go through before being able to download em...
--Jakk:t
--Jakk:t
x51out
08-31-2002, 07:37 PM
I'm still running a GF2pro64mb @ 210/410 oc. How is any driver going to improve fps when the card is pretty much maxed out? You guys know of a "sweet-spot" driver for an old GF 2 Pro?? Right now I'm doing the 21.83 in XP and I've retro'd to the 16.30 in Win98se. I just don't know which drivers are the right fit for an older card?
Bigjakkstaffa
08-31-2002, 07:44 PM
For my gf2 mx400 21.81 offered the biggest leap up - there were little increases here and there but nothing massive really since then, although these 40.xx's look to be offering quite big leaps - if you dont mind using what are essentially BETA drivers that is...
--Jakk:t
--Jakk:t
$1500-P4 gamer
08-31-2002, 09:47 PM
* NVKeystone™ allows for real-time image correction on portable projectors and heads-up displays.
I need to know more abou tthis. I have a projector and I am building another. I belong to a DIY video forum where thats all were doing. Lots of physics, objctives/lenses light waves etc... involved. Really cool! One of the probs. is the pro $10,000 projectors use Keystone corection. This allows you to mount the projector on the ceiling and have it angled to the screen from overhead! Like a movie theatre does. But DIY projectors cant do that-it must be a streight shot to screen or you get keystoneing. Thats where the image stretches on the screen into a keystone shape distorting the image due to the angle of lense to screen. This will solve all my probs. YES thank you Nvidia. But does it work with my G3???? On vga input panels only or svga also? * I found the Inf. DUH---twas a brain **** I tell ya*Digital Keystone corection will be great news in the DIY forums thats for sure!;) :t
I need to know more abou tthis. I have a projector and I am building another. I belong to a DIY video forum where thats all were doing. Lots of physics, objctives/lenses light waves etc... involved. Really cool! One of the probs. is the pro $10,000 projectors use Keystone corection. This allows you to mount the projector on the ceiling and have it angled to the screen from overhead! Like a movie theatre does. But DIY projectors cant do that-it must be a streight shot to screen or you get keystoneing. Thats where the image stretches on the screen into a keystone shape distorting the image due to the angle of lense to screen. This will solve all my probs. YES thank you Nvidia. But does it work with my G3???? On vga input panels only or svga also? * I found the Inf. DUH---twas a brain **** I tell ya*Digital Keystone corection will be great news in the DIY forums thats for sure!;) :t
$1500-P4 gamer
08-31-2002, 10:09 PM
"Version: 40.41
File Size: 9 MB
Release Date: August 29, 2002
WHQL Certification Pending
Download"
That means beta.
:)
File Size: 9 MB
Release Date: August 29, 2002
WHQL Certification Pending
Download"
That means beta.
:)
OpK Chowdy
09-01-2002, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by x51out
I'm still running a GF2pro64mb @ 210/410 oc. How is any driver going to improve fps when the card is pretty much maxed out?
what 3dmark2k1 scores you getting?
I'm still running a GF2pro64mb @ 210/410 oc. How is any driver going to improve fps when the card is pretty much maxed out?
what 3dmark2k1 scores you getting?
x51out
09-01-2002, 12:21 AM
Don't laugh. I'm not getting any scores. Because I've never ever benched this card. I dunno, I just eyeball it according to percieved game performance. I just thought somebody else did all the work and assembled something like a data base matching cards to drivers. I thought though that the nVidia drivers after version 30something were optimized for the GF4 line.
RamonGTP
09-01-2002, 05:35 AM
Originally posted by AllGamer
hmm... that's odd
care to copy and paste a link here?
how come of all the time i visit their website i don't see that Warning about being Beta?
Go here http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp then click on "Graphics Driver" in the first window, and then "Detonator 40" in the second window and all that info will pop up on the bottom.
x51out, a driver that gives better performance doesn't necessarily make the card work any harder, the software could just be optimized to take better advantage of the power the card already has. Think if it as upgrading a car. You can add an aftermarket intake/exhaust to the car to allow it to breath better, but the engine isn't really working any harder, unless you do something like add a blower, then you're actually FORCING more air inside, similar to overclocking. ;)
-Ramon
hmm... that's odd
care to copy and paste a link here?
how come of all the time i visit their website i don't see that Warning about being Beta?
Go here http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp then click on "Graphics Driver" in the first window, and then "Detonator 40" in the second window and all that info will pop up on the bottom.
x51out, a driver that gives better performance doesn't necessarily make the card work any harder, the software could just be optimized to take better advantage of the power the card already has. Think if it as upgrading a car. You can add an aftermarket intake/exhaust to the car to allow it to breath better, but the engine isn't really working any harder, unless you do something like add a blower, then you're actually FORCING more air inside, similar to overclocking. ;)
-Ramon
omega31
09-01-2002, 11:51 AM
Ok, I got a lower score in 3dmark 2001 SE build 330 going from 30.82 to 40.41 in Win2k.
Asus P2B-F (440 BX), PIII 750, GeForce3 TI200 64 MB, 320 MB RAM.
30.82 Detonator
No AA: 4359
2x AA: 3614
40.41 Detonator
No AA: 4276
2x AA: Did not run, yet
No overclocking on anything.
Asus P2B-F (440 BX), PIII 750, GeForce3 TI200 64 MB, 320 MB RAM.
30.82 Detonator
No AA: 4359
2x AA: 3614
40.41 Detonator
No AA: 4276
2x AA: Did not run, yet
No overclocking on anything.
foxwolfen
09-01-2002, 03:02 PM
I did not see any real improvement in performance with my G4MX440, but what i did see was the elimination of the one thing that has kept me from being a fan of Nvidia (I long for the return of 3dfx), namely...
these drivers fixed the BSOD problem in XP Pro I have had with every driver verison out since i bought the card... I could never access open GL settings tab or nview... now I can..yeah!! No more BSOD...not one.. BUT!!!! I do have some rendering issues...
Final Reality 1.1 (old, I know, but a **** fine benchmark that is sensitive enough and relaible (read consistant) enough to notice changes from "best image quality" to "High image quality") has odd errors during the 2D test (non fatal) and in Race Driver you can click through to the desktop while in the game... not a happy scene.
BTW another test of beta driver status is NVMAX... It has never installed if beta drivers are present, not ever, and it does not install with these new drivers. (not needed now that nvidia has fixed the BSOD problem I was having)
these drivers fixed the BSOD problem in XP Pro I have had with every driver verison out since i bought the card... I could never access open GL settings tab or nview... now I can..yeah!! No more BSOD...not one.. BUT!!!! I do have some rendering issues...
Final Reality 1.1 (old, I know, but a **** fine benchmark that is sensitive enough and relaible (read consistant) enough to notice changes from "best image quality" to "High image quality") has odd errors during the 2D test (non fatal) and in Race Driver you can click through to the desktop while in the game... not a happy scene.
BTW another test of beta driver status is NVMAX... It has never installed if beta drivers are present, not ever, and it does not install with these new drivers. (not needed now that nvidia has fixed the BSOD problem I was having)
omega31
09-01-2002, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by omega31
Ok, I got a lower score in 3dmark 2001 SE build 330 going from 30.82 to 40.41 in Win2k.
Asus P2B-F (440 BX), PIII 750, GeForce3 TI200 64 MB, 320 MB RAM.
30.82 Detonator
No AA: 4359
2x AA: 3614
40.41 Detonator
No AA: 4276
2x AA: Did not run, yet
No overclocking on anything.
Well, here's my score running 40.41 Detonator at 2x AA: 3618. Woohoo! A whole 4 points higher than my 30.82 score! :) :p But still, that no AA score is lower for 40.41.
Ok, I got a lower score in 3dmark 2001 SE build 330 going from 30.82 to 40.41 in Win2k.
Asus P2B-F (440 BX), PIII 750, GeForce3 TI200 64 MB, 320 MB RAM.
30.82 Detonator
No AA: 4359
2x AA: 3614
40.41 Detonator
No AA: 4276
2x AA: Did not run, yet
No overclocking on anything.
Well, here's my score running 40.41 Detonator at 2x AA: 3618. Woohoo! A whole 4 points higher than my 30.82 score! :) :p But still, that no AA score is lower for 40.41.
NDD
09-02-2002, 01:04 AM
Flash :
Final Reality is out (it took me few hours to find it on my old CDs :) ). 3DMark2001SE is in :D
nVMAX is out as well. Everybody use RivaTuner (http://www.nvworld.ru/downloads/rivatuner.zip) today :)
Besides, after I found it, I ran FR with my GF3Ti200 and DetXP v40.41 and didn't find any artifacts (errr GF4MX440 :( ). Everything runs well (and pretty smooth, last time I ran it was on my Voodoo2 when it was new :) ).
Final Reality is out (it took me few hours to find it on my old CDs :) ). 3DMark2001SE is in :D
nVMAX is out as well. Everybody use RivaTuner (http://www.nvworld.ru/downloads/rivatuner.zip) today :)
Besides, after I found it, I ran FR with my GF3Ti200 and DetXP v40.41 and didn't find any artifacts (errr GF4MX440 :( ). Everything runs well (and pretty smooth, last time I ran it was on my Voodoo2 when it was new :) ).
OpK Chowdy
09-02-2002, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by x51out
Don't laugh. I'm not getting any scores.
im not laughing at you. i used to have a geforce2mx and i oced it a lot and i just want to know your scores
Don't laugh. I'm not getting any scores.
im not laughing at you. i used to have a geforce2mx and i oced it a lot and i just want to know your scores
x51out
09-02-2002, 12:32 PM
Alright, I'll bench this thing right now and post the scores upon completion. Hold on...;)
x51out
09-02-2002, 08:36 PM
3DMark Score 3941 3D marks . But this is with visual anomolies, clocked @ 200/400 (210/410 was really bad in the anomaly department), driver 21.81 WinXP. Some of the tests were not supported in Hardware. Shows the GF2Pro's weaknesses in this bench.http://service.madonion.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/projectdetails&projectType=6&projectId=4375368
x51out
09-02-2002, 11:39 PM
http://service.madonion.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/projectdetails&projectType=6&projectId=4376450 ... The eVGA GF2 GTS/Pro apparently does NOT take well to oc, even though the memory is rated at 400, the default rate is set to 365 mHz. Needless to say: I want a new card...;) .
But_Why
09-03-2002, 01:05 AM
I installed these and got around 600-800 point increase in 3dmark but i had a few games that just wouldn't run... others that had problems with them that werent there before, so i just reverted back...:confused:
Bigjakkstaffa
09-03-2002, 11:22 AM
The 40.xx's are still beta's, loads of people are having chew with em... despite the performance gain id stick with the 30.30's for now
--Jakk:t
--Jakk:t
Grentarc
09-05-2002, 08:25 AM
i dont like them... ok, they increased my 3DMark score, but i had a look at the individual results... dropped my framerate in everything but the nature test.. which it almost doubled the fps.... i think that the nature test must mean alot if i get 800 more points for losing 5 per game test, and picking them up on the nature.
Ammok
09-08-2002, 10:18 AM
I am back on 23.11 and the 40's didn't help me.
Now i have a stable platform, I will try and work my way back up to see if i can gain any improvement.
Now i have a stable platform, I will try and work my way back up to see if i can gain any improvement.
Grentarc
09-09-2002, 04:02 AM
I have gone back to the 30.82, as the 40.41 gave me MANY artifacts on some 3Dmark2001 tests.... and were slower.
germanjulian
09-09-2002, 04:10 AM
here a thought!
detenator drivers up to 28 are finals for geforce 2!
detenator drivers for 32.... are implementing loads of the "new" stuff for geforce 3
and the 40 detenator drivers are for geforce 4.
makes a bit of sense
detenator drivers up to 28 are finals for geforce 2!
detenator drivers for 32.... are implementing loads of the "new" stuff for geforce 3
and the 40 detenator drivers are for geforce 4.
makes a bit of sense
Grentarc
09-09-2002, 04:15 AM
I have a Geforce 4 Ti card, but 3DMark scores were lower, and games crappier gfx... Only the Nature test was higher (by about 2x faster.. 35 to 68 FPS) and that is how my score went up.. but all other stuff was lower.. weird huh:confused:
germanjulian
09-09-2002, 05:49 AM
yeah i know! but did anyone test what happens if you use AA with these drivers? do u get higher scores then with the 30 ones?
Grentarc
09-09-2002, 07:49 AM
I noticed that Aquanox (the only game that could make my computer go chunky style) played smooth as when using the 40.41 with 4x FSAA and all detail up high.. so, i guess they r beter when FSAAing... will try them again later..
Ammok
09-09-2002, 01:03 PM
here German, I think your on to something. I have a g2 and have failed miserably to acheive a 3d2001 benchmark when I installed XP. however, just recently dropping back to 23.11 I can now obtain a benchmark. 3031 last time I ran it.
germanjulian
09-09-2002, 02:02 PM
yes yes i am not stupid and it also explains why nvidia jumped from 32 drivers straight to 40 ones and there wasnt any 37 or so cause the geforce 4 has been out for a while now!
x51out
09-09-2002, 02:50 PM
I think GF2's are going to have a hard time with 3D2001SE, I know mine does. Although my GF2Pro gets about 4200, the only driver thus far that gets NO polygon tearing is 40.41. If you know of a "perfected" driver (if there is such a thing) for a GF2Pro, please let me know...:cool:
Kurylo
09-09-2002, 02:59 PM
Hey !!!
Det 40.41 are really good, but they don't have some options I need, so I've returnned to 30.30. If I'm wrong, correct me:
a) RivaTuner 60Hz bugfix isn't working, the default of 60 lasts after update :(
b) Some resolutions I use such as, for example, 1280*960 are unavailable.
Det 40.41 are really good, but they don't have some options I need, so I've returnned to 30.30. If I'm wrong, correct me:
a) RivaTuner 60Hz bugfix isn't working, the default of 60 lasts after update :(
b) Some resolutions I use such as, for example, 1280*960 are unavailable.
AllGamer
09-09-2002, 03:22 PM
Which GeForce do you have?
i'm, using the crappy GF4 MX
and i get all the settings all the way to 1600x1200, actually more, but i doubt it's of any real use in a 19"
:D
but yeah that option you said it's listed
and i'm able to change the refresh rate to 85 hz, easily without any Hacking tool
i'm, using the crappy GF4 MX
and i get all the settings all the way to 1600x1200, actually more, but i doubt it's of any real use in a 19"
:D
but yeah that option you said it's listed
and i'm able to change the refresh rate to 85 hz, easily without any Hacking tool
foxwolfen
09-09-2002, 09:44 PM
G4 MX crappy??? You nuts? ;) For the money, there is no better card out there... Trust me I tried em all... The ATI's <shudder> were so crappy it they lasted all of half an hour in my machine and then returned.
Man, I am a Canadian, I support Canadian companies, but ATI needs to get its head out of its *** and stop thinking they know what they are doing, go back to school and start fresh... I have not had one ATI card that I liked.
As for Sonic Blue and S3, or <gag> Intel.... they are not even worth talking about... Problem with US Nvidia folk is were spoiled and think every card should have a terabyte bandwidth.
FoxW
Man, I am a Canadian, I support Canadian companies, but ATI needs to get its head out of its *** and stop thinking they know what they are doing, go back to school and start fresh... I have not had one ATI card that I liked.
As for Sonic Blue and S3, or <gag> Intel.... they are not even worth talking about... Problem with US Nvidia folk is were spoiled and think every card should have a terabyte bandwidth.
FoxW
Grentarc
09-10-2002, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by foxwolfen
G4 MX crappy??? You nuts? ;) For the money, there is no better card out there...
he Xabre chipset is better for the money
G4 MX crappy??? You nuts? ;) For the money, there is no better card out there...
he Xabre chipset is better for the money
AllGamer
09-10-2002, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by foxwolfen
Man, I am a Canadian, I support Canadian companies, but ATI needs to get its head out of its *** and stop thinking they know what they are doing, go back to school and start fresh... I have not had one ATI card that I liked.
Wha about the 9700 ?
that thing has been sold out the very first week it was released
i've been using ATI + nVidia + Matrox all along, and i like ATI and Matrox more overall
Matrox for business needs, and ATI for Graphical stuff and Games
nVidia is more of a test bench and to compare which games looks better in which card.
BTW, never had a single problem with any of the above.
i even had to force Feed a AGP card onto an AGP mobo that had no option to turn off the onboard AGP, so i set them up as a dual video ATI + S3 LOL :r, also nVidia + S3 :D
those were the crappy PCChips mobos
Man, I am a Canadian, I support Canadian companies, but ATI needs to get its head out of its *** and stop thinking they know what they are doing, go back to school and start fresh... I have not had one ATI card that I liked.
Wha about the 9700 ?
that thing has been sold out the very first week it was released
i've been using ATI + nVidia + Matrox all along, and i like ATI and Matrox more overall
Matrox for business needs, and ATI for Graphical stuff and Games
nVidia is more of a test bench and to compare which games looks better in which card.
BTW, never had a single problem with any of the above.
i even had to force Feed a AGP card onto an AGP mobo that had no option to turn off the onboard AGP, so i set them up as a dual video ATI + S3 LOL :r, also nVidia + S3 :D
those were the crappy PCChips mobos
foxwolfen
09-10-2002, 12:28 PM
Dunno about the 9700. Me, im not prepared to spend 500 dollars for a card that will be obsolite in six months. :)
As for the earlier versions, (8000, 7000, LE, Rage Fury pro...) the 2d is absolutely abismal, the worst I have seen in years, but typical of every ATI card I have owned. 16 bit settings in 3d also were remarkably ugly. IBM seemed to love installing them in their machines which explained why they were such poor performers. It confused the hell out of us techies as we all new the cost of the nvidia cards were no higher but performance levels and visial quality were far far superior.
As for matrox, I loved my old mystique 220. Combined with NEC's PVR addin card, I had 32bit ingame graphics at 30fps about two years before the rest of the world even knew what 3d was ;)
Bringing this back on-topic, I have since removed the Det40.41 drivers as the anomolies were too great. I am going to post a note about my experiences this weekend as I ripped out all versions of windows, and finally solved the BSOD problem once and for all, with out having to use the beta drivers.
PS. I am actually enjoying this forum, the people here are all pretty smart and rational people. It is refreshing to engage in a forum with this level of maturity.
As for the earlier versions, (8000, 7000, LE, Rage Fury pro...) the 2d is absolutely abismal, the worst I have seen in years, but typical of every ATI card I have owned. 16 bit settings in 3d also were remarkably ugly. IBM seemed to love installing them in their machines which explained why they were such poor performers. It confused the hell out of us techies as we all new the cost of the nvidia cards were no higher but performance levels and visial quality were far far superior.
As for matrox, I loved my old mystique 220. Combined with NEC's PVR addin card, I had 32bit ingame graphics at 30fps about two years before the rest of the world even knew what 3d was ;)
Bringing this back on-topic, I have since removed the Det40.41 drivers as the anomolies were too great. I am going to post a note about my experiences this weekend as I ripped out all versions of windows, and finally solved the BSOD problem once and for all, with out having to use the beta drivers.
PS. I am actually enjoying this forum, the people here are all pretty smart and rational people. It is refreshing to engage in a forum with this level of maturity.
AllGamer
09-10-2002, 12:41 PM
I wonder what's wrong with people having problems with the 40.x drivers
i ran them by now on 12 diff machines with no problems
and ran 3DMarks several times already
i ran them by now on 12 diff machines with no problems
and ran 3DMarks several times already
foxwolfen
09-10-2002, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by AllGamer
I wonder what's wrong with people having problems with the 40.x drivers
i ran them by now on 12 diff machines with no problems
and ran 3DMarks several times already
I suspect the problems are due to driver interaction with other system components that may not be present on the machines you tested. I think it's time to develop a web based DB to track the various chipset/vid/mb/memory combo's and see what has the most problems...
I am begining to suspect it is one of three possible things (again on my machine)
1. a problem with the SB PCI128 (this was a mistake to buy and I regret it.)
2. AGP mini-port drivers being out of date (sis seems to have forgotten about their 735 series).
3. Coolbits tweak. It is the source of non-SP1 crashes on my machine.
FoxW
I wonder what's wrong with people having problems with the 40.x drivers
i ran them by now on 12 diff machines with no problems
and ran 3DMarks several times already
I suspect the problems are due to driver interaction with other system components that may not be present on the machines you tested. I think it's time to develop a web based DB to track the various chipset/vid/mb/memory combo's and see what has the most problems...
I am begining to suspect it is one of three possible things (again on my machine)
1. a problem with the SB PCI128 (this was a mistake to buy and I regret it.)
2. AGP mini-port drivers being out of date (sis seems to have forgotten about their 735 series).
3. Coolbits tweak. It is the source of non-SP1 crashes on my machine.
FoxW
AllGamer
09-10-2002, 01:47 PM
you might be onto something there..
all of my machines that i've installed 40.x and ran test on them had SP3 with all the other windows update.
all of my machines that i've installed 40.x and ran test on them had SP3 with all the other windows update.
Kurylo
09-10-2002, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by AllGamer
Which GeForce do you have?
i'm, using the crappy GF4 MX
and i get all the settings all the way to 1600x1200, actually more, but i doubt it's of any real use in a 19"
:D
but yeah that option you said it's listed
and i'm able to change the refresh rate to 85 hz, easily without any Hacking tool
I have GF2MX400 64MB.
Actually, I can adjust the settings too, but I don't have an option fore only some resolution, as for example, 1280*960 (which is 4:3 --- 1280*1024 is 5:4).
And, I can change my RR too, but after a bugfix I have some pluses:
a) after a resolution changes I always get an optimal RR;
b) games are working on optimal RR, not 60Hz.
Nvidia Refresh Rate Fix didn't help too.
Maybe, I need a newer version of RivaTuner (I have RT 2.0 RC11 now)?
Which GeForce do you have?
i'm, using the crappy GF4 MX
and i get all the settings all the way to 1600x1200, actually more, but i doubt it's of any real use in a 19"
:D
but yeah that option you said it's listed
and i'm able to change the refresh rate to 85 hz, easily without any Hacking tool
I have GF2MX400 64MB.
Actually, I can adjust the settings too, but I don't have an option fore only some resolution, as for example, 1280*960 (which is 4:3 --- 1280*1024 is 5:4).
And, I can change my RR too, but after a bugfix I have some pluses:
a) after a resolution changes I always get an optimal RR;
b) games are working on optimal RR, not 60Hz.
Nvidia Refresh Rate Fix didn't help too.
Maybe, I need a newer version of RivaTuner (I have RT 2.0 RC11 now)?
foxwolfen
09-10-2002, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Kurylo
Nvidia Refresh Rate Fix didn't help too.
Maybe, I need a newer version of RivaTuner (I have RT 2.0 RC11 now)?
In my experience, riva tuner and NRRF MkII have caused me nothing but grief... Most of the riva tuner settings are completely useless and possibly dangerous. Nrrf also causes me problems and never seems to work...
Here is what I use:
Coolbits to unlock the advanced settings within the driver (rivatuner uses it as well but goes way beyond what is required)
Reforce.exe to set all modes to a refresh you like...
Both work well (though coolbits causes some problems for me in XP prior to XPSP1). Both are available at majorgeeks.com.
NVMax is problematic in XP, but works fine in 9x.
If you can't find coolbits... simply create a text file in wordpad, name it coolbits.reg and copy the following into it:
REGEDIT4
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\NvTweak]
"CoolBits"=dword:00000003
(Make sure the stuff between each [ ] is all on one line and there is a space between nvidia and corporation.)
Save it, right click on the file and click merge. Or you can type it into regedit directly.
As for Reforce, gimme an email address and i'll mail it to you :) its only 169kb. With it the only thing to watch out for is the fact that nvidia always puts a new monitor definition in when you install new drivers, thus you may have more than one listed. just do the same for all and it should work fine.
Det 40.41 seems to have the fix already built in, as I did not need reforce with them, but they are a bit buggy still.
FoxW
Nvidia Refresh Rate Fix didn't help too.
Maybe, I need a newer version of RivaTuner (I have RT 2.0 RC11 now)?
In my experience, riva tuner and NRRF MkII have caused me nothing but grief... Most of the riva tuner settings are completely useless and possibly dangerous. Nrrf also causes me problems and never seems to work...
Here is what I use:
Coolbits to unlock the advanced settings within the driver (rivatuner uses it as well but goes way beyond what is required)
Reforce.exe to set all modes to a refresh you like...
Both work well (though coolbits causes some problems for me in XP prior to XPSP1). Both are available at majorgeeks.com.
NVMax is problematic in XP, but works fine in 9x.
If you can't find coolbits... simply create a text file in wordpad, name it coolbits.reg and copy the following into it:
REGEDIT4
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\NvTweak]
"CoolBits"=dword:00000003
(Make sure the stuff between each [ ] is all on one line and there is a space between nvidia and corporation.)
Save it, right click on the file and click merge. Or you can type it into regedit directly.
As for Reforce, gimme an email address and i'll mail it to you :) its only 169kb. With it the only thing to watch out for is the fact that nvidia always puts a new monitor definition in when you install new drivers, thus you may have more than one listed. just do the same for all and it should work fine.
Det 40.41 seems to have the fix already built in, as I did not need reforce with them, but they are a bit buggy still.
FoxW
omega31
09-10-2002, 07:54 PM
Reforce, or RefreshForce, can be had here:
http://www.pagehosting.co.uk/rf/
http://www.pagehosting.co.uk/rf/
Kurylo
09-11-2002, 06:20 AM
Thanks for helping, I'll try...
salandar
09-12-2002, 09:55 AM
I lost over 1000 points by installing the 40.41 drivers ~ I immediately went back to the 30.82 drivers:)
But_Why
09-12-2002, 04:35 PM
what are your specs?
AllGamer
09-12-2002, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by salandar
I lost over 1000 points by installing the 40.41 drivers ~ I immediately went back to the 30.82 drivers:)
HOLY ****!
that's NUTs!
over 1k point man, there's something Seriously wrong there.
what nVidia do you have?
I lost over 1000 points by installing the 40.41 drivers ~ I immediately went back to the 30.82 drivers:)
HOLY ****!
that's NUTs!
over 1k point man, there's something Seriously wrong there.
what nVidia do you have?
salandar
09-13-2002, 08:51 AM
I have the geforce4 4400 MSI board...
I'm not sure if I installed the new drivers incorrectly or something ~ I just downloaded the file, downloaded the patch fix, ran the patch fix first to get rid of duplicate entries, restart, ran the new installer for the 40.41 drivers, restart, and ran 3dmark.
I wasn't very happy with the score:( It may just be my issue because for some reason, I can't seem to install software right ever. I can't get everquest running, I have a decent system, and can't get scores above 10,500 in 3dmark.
AMDXP2200+ CPU
MSI KT333 Ultra ~ ms6380e mobo
Corsair DDR2700 333MHz RAM
Maxtor 40gb 7200rpm hdd
MSI GeForce4 4400
I really think my bottleneck is in the crappy mobo i have:/
I'm not sure if I installed the new drivers incorrectly or something ~ I just downloaded the file, downloaded the patch fix, ran the patch fix first to get rid of duplicate entries, restart, ran the new installer for the 40.41 drivers, restart, and ran 3dmark.
I wasn't very happy with the score:( It may just be my issue because for some reason, I can't seem to install software right ever. I can't get everquest running, I have a decent system, and can't get scores above 10,500 in 3dmark.
AMDXP2200+ CPU
MSI KT333 Ultra ~ ms6380e mobo
Corsair DDR2700 333MHz RAM
Maxtor 40gb 7200rpm hdd
MSI GeForce4 4400
I really think my bottleneck is in the crappy mobo i have:/
germanjulian
09-13-2002, 08:55 AM
i have the same problem!!!!!!!!!!!
AllGamer
09-13-2002, 09:41 AM
very odd indeed you system look Good
in fact better than mine
Did you check your AGP?
is it set at 4x AGP or 2x AGP?
did you set your AGP Aperture to 1/2 size of your Video RAM ?
did you enablve AGP write, Read, etc, etc, etc??
try that :t
in fact better than mine
Did you check your AGP?
is it set at 4x AGP or 2x AGP?
did you set your AGP Aperture to 1/2 size of your Video RAM ?
did you enablve AGP write, Read, etc, etc, etc??
try that :t
salandar
09-13-2002, 10:23 AM
did all that...AGP is at 4x, everything with AGP is enabled.
when i set my agp aperature size to half of my video card ram, games started messing up; so I had to change it back to the normal 128. The games messed up by giving images of small flashing blocks of graphics, very noticable in games that I just have the screen at a stand still (ie, WC3 when building towers or something).
I think I just need someone that is a software junkie to come and tweak my system to it's fullest and stablest...but, i dunno anyone like that in my circle of friends:/
when i set my agp aperature size to half of my video card ram, games started messing up; so I had to change it back to the normal 128. The games messed up by giving images of small flashing blocks of graphics, very noticable in games that I just have the screen at a stand still (ie, WC3 when building towers or something).
I think I just need someone that is a software junkie to come and tweak my system to it's fullest and stablest...but, i dunno anyone like that in my circle of friends:/
x51out
09-13-2002, 05:24 PM
I thought the BIOS settings that http://www.omegacorner.com/ recommends were pretty mainstream and safe (even IF recommended for OMEGA drivers...), although they recommend Fast Writes as disabled, that is something you'll have to toy around with for yourself. :cool: .
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