AGP 4x vs. AGP 8x

[rh71]

Hurry Up! I'm still deciding whether I should spring for a GF4 Ti4400 with today's AGP 4X technology.

Or I will be forced to get a new mobo/cpu/video card when AGP 8X is available.

Ugh... we'll never be satisfied.

[thronka]

Unless I see some good benchmarks for AGP8x I am still staying away from it. AGP8x benchmarks only give 100 points increase from 4x on alot of the current memory cards. Even the samples provided by SiS and stuff are the same as a NVidia GeForce 4 TI AGP4x Cards. This is the same **** that I hate. Like Nvidia, ATI, and SiS... they always release a new card with only one thing added and stick a $100 added price tag from the $299 card that is behind it. Come on guys. If you want us to buy stuff, give us the stuff we want like loads of new features, good price, better drivers, and better technical support and you just might be able to actually sell better on your cards. Have so many Ti line cards with very little difference is very bad for your business. There is one sentence for AGP8x and the hardware vendors: they sell a new revision every month with little changes and they never add features we want.

[AllGamer]

ATI 9700 is the first AGP 8x ready available, and so far it's the only one with the highest SPEED and HIGHEST GRAPHIC QUALITY AT 128bit color

can't wait for new gamez to come out at 128bit color support,

wow just like real life.

[BipolarBill]

Would someone provide me a link on the subject of 128-bit color? I don't get it - why would we skip clean though 64-bit to 128-bit?

[SLX]

Originally posted by rh71
Hurry Up! I'm still deciding whether I should spring for a GF4 Ti4400 with today's AGP 4X technology.

Or I will be forced to get a new mobo/cpu/video card when AGP 8X is available.

Ugh... we'll never be satisfied.

Newegg.com has the Abit MOBO with sis648 chip that has agp 8x in it. Only 108$ Abit is a great board, with nice features but the power connector is put in a bad place for my system. Thats why im waiting for another board form Asus or MSi to come out with sis648.

[corrupted]

i won't be upgrading till i need more speed. i have a duron850 with AGP4x, and it's perfectly smooth. by the time i need the extra, they'll probably have 12x AGP

[AllGamer]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
Would someone provide me a link on the subject of 128-bit color? I don't get it - why would we skip clean though 64-bit to 128-bit?

Here's an Eye Candy
it's not a picture, it's a 3D render

http://gamespot.com/gshw/stories/screens/0,12988,2874779-5,00.html

and here's a small quote from

"The 128-bit internal color range will allow for a much wider dynamic range for colors."

http://gamespot.com/gshw/stories/flat/0,12880,2874779-3,00.html

There was another website with the car difference Side by Side normal vs 128bit

can't find that other website right now.
i'll sure post it here after i find it,

and you'll notice the big time difference

----------------- Update -----------------
Yaeyh!!, finally here it is
http://www17.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q3/020718/radeon9700-06.html#floating_point_precision_color

[beast16t]

That radeon looks pretty impressive stuff.

Is it going to out-perform the current nvidia cards though? The quality or colour in the image isn't everything, what about the speed?

If the radeon is fast then i may have to get one to go with the new AMD Hammer proc (when they finally decide on a release date :mad: )

I can't really complain though... anything new is gonna be better than the Athlon 700 with GF2 i got at the moment :p

[AllGamer]

The Real test is when and if nVidia release the GeForce 5, then we can see some real competition.

but for now the 9700 owns it all speed, quality, everything.

[Paco103]

Why waste the bandwidth on 128-bit color? Maybe my eyes aren't as keen as all you others out there - but I can barely tell the difference between 16 and 32 bit. I generally just stick to 16 so I can get faster frame rates - but can you actually see the difference? To me 16 bit looks just about as good as photo - and 32 bit I can't tell the difference from a photo.

[AllGamer]

hmm... i do definitely see a BIG difference bettwen 16bit and 32bit, when it comes to Digital Pictures and Video Editing.
so if 128 bit is avaible, it'll heck of a lot better

[BipolarBill]

Take a peep at AllGamer's thread:

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112821&highlight=128bit

[Paco103]

Well like I said I guess it might be my eyes. I can't tell the difference between a 60hz and 75hz refresh either - but my mom gets sick with 60hz on bright screens, she can actually see the flicker at 60. I guess I'm just more of a sound person - I spend more time with music and audio than video - but I can't really brag about my frame rates there. "I get up to 96000 fps on some clips" :O) Still gotta admit - even if *I* can't see the diff. - 128bit at those speeds would be sweet - just the pure power

[AllGamer]

yeah count me in on the 60 hz thing.

i can't torelare monitors running 60 hz, it just kills my eyes.

i can almost literary almost see flame by flame goes by when it's set at 60 hz

all i see is that line going from the bottom of the screen going up, or vicersa, from tp to bottom, depending on the brand of monitor.

but the Annoyance goes away after it's set to anything higher than 65 - 70 hz.

I can detect badly build monitors, back then when 17" and 15" were the biggest thing in the industry.

there we a lot of bad quality ones, and those even tho you set it to 70 hz or higher, a portion of the screen, or at least a corner of it, still drops to somewhere around 60 hz, so i was always able to see that and send those monitors back for RMA, and they (retailers) always ague with me that their monitors are fine etc etc... so i said fine, but a monitor flicker tester and see, and i was right!!

so after that time, if i'm the one returning the monitors, they don't complain anymore. :D :D

back then people like me were consider WEIRDOs, as far as the eyes goes.

but now in days more and more people have the same ability.

and it's all thanks to the good monitors, and our super adaptive eyes,.

it's also a Draw back, once it adapts to good stuff, your eyes just doesn't want to see cheap stuff anymore.

LOL :r

[pandaz3]

Wow there really is a difference!

[Aarmenaa]

I can never see the difference between refresh rates, no matter how hard I try. I have an old 14" monitor that runs at 1024x768@42 hz, and I can't see a difference from my 17" monitor at 1024x768@75 hz!

The color stuff I see-128 bit is much smoother, and brighter. I can only see a difference between 16 and 32 sometimes, mostly in really dark games, where the shades make all the difference.

-Aarmenaa

[AllGamer]

I think this ability of seen different Hz on the refresh rate, comes after years of training.

like being always in front of a computer for 21 hrs a day 7 days a week, for many years.

in my case, work, hobby, research, studies, etc, it's all in done in a computer

Hey! i even met my wife over IRC !!!:D

oh!, as for the why not 24/7?? well i'm still partially a biological lifeform, i still need to rest for at least 3 hrs a day. Else i'm pretty sure i'll be always on 27/7 like my computers. :x

[$1500-P4 gamer]

Heck Im only happy when the refresh is at 100hz. I can tell the dif all the way to 120hz- how about you guys. And 16bit to 32bit I agree the most dif. is in foggy/dark games where there are many shades of black or grey. I'm what they call color dumb anyhow. I can only see certain shades of colors as they look the same. Like if you see how ever many shades of red I see like maybe 10 at the most. Anything above 32bit will be a wasite on me other than brightness of screen and clarity-no extra colors for me.:( Oh well my brother is color blind so it could have been worse, I could have been born first.:eek: :t

[Avor]

I agree with Aarmenaa, I can't tell a difference either. I believe it's more of how picky you are :D

Back to the colors, I can see a major difference between 16 and 32bit. 16bit is the dry skin of graphics to me.

Bad thing is that when 128 becomes used more, I get to spend more money upgrading from my new board! Makes you wish you could replace certain pieces of your mobo, but i guess that's why PCI slots are there :)

While I'm on it, are CNR slots good? Tried looking them up... most I could get was that the cards that go to it cost less :r

[SLX]

Originally posted by Avor

While I'm on it, are CNR slots good? Tried looking them up... most I could get was that the cards that go to it cost less :r

Yea they 'cnr' communications network riser 'amr' audio modem riser, cards cost less but were are you going to find them>? Mostly they are for manufacture and company system builders which can slip in a modem or net card in customized systems. Plus regualr Pci net and modem cards can be found very cheaply less than 10-20 dollars so why bother? I think if it comes on the board then cool, if not I dont mind.

[AllGamer]

SLX is right, the CNR, althought good in sense and technology wise, it ain't good if you are after performance or quality components.

CNR are used mainly for low end or what most people call cheapo sound / modem / NIC upgrades.

OEM uses them to save money when they build those on board everything type of system.

i've build prenty of them, so i know ;)

[AllGamer]

Yup!, i wont have to worry for another hardware upgrade for at least another year or so.

until the 64bit OS and 64bit CPUs are stable, and by then all kind of new stuff will be out.

who knows, maybe AGP might not even be needed after a year or so.

:p