bf 1942 comments

[Mutant_Donkey]

i foudn the game to be childish and wholly unrealistic. heres what i sent ea games:

i dont know what age group this game is meant for, but obviously even the beta test shows many flaws that make the game look childish.

here i will try to list all the errors/inconveniences i found to hopefully be implemented as fixes in the final release or a patch.

tanks:
ballistical physics (when launching shell) are completely off-proportion.
mounted mg's on top of tanks wave around randomly when operator get killed
tank damage factors out of proportion
when moving turret or mounted mg, sound work was not implemented with much effort - ruins fun of game
tank turret/mounted mg moves way to fast and movement physics are off proportion

weapons
sound glitches/ sometimes sounds are skipped
engineer - mines are layed down very humorously, like throwing a frisbee
engineer - tnt does minimal damage to player when detonated nearby, but obliterates teamates
axis - mp40 submachinegun accuracy is 'to good'
allied - thompson submachinegun accuracy is 'to good'
again, tank shell physics singify lack of effort / are very childish
mines disapear after short time - ruins whole point of using them
bazooka at-launcher - speaks for itself. horrible physics, unrealstic damage, range offset is always random, no proper optics/targeting.

ai
response time when hiding on corners and revealing youself is to short, somtimes you will get killed instantly and not know what happened
ai moves, goes prone, crouches, and enterns mounted mg's all in a very horrible manner. movement is fast, jerky, off proportion, and not even semi-realistc physics are used.

gui/core problems
various flashing of the respawn/weapons selection menu occurs
at 1024*768, text was unreadable on the following tested monitors:
samsung 150s
nec multisync 70
kds@view xflat

graphical factor
german nazi flag features iron cross. if this was an attempt to reduce the social impact of a swastika, evauate your choice. the swastika meant 'good luck', it in no way resembles anything to touchy for your selected age group to see. if this is a game for 10-15 year old's i can see why you did this, but the rating of this game will prohibit that age group from playing it, so i see no logic towards no revealing the true nazi flag.



please consider at least physics improvements in the final release

thanks for your time,
thomas rocko
contact: thomas12@mts.net

[NDD]

You might want to fire it as an email to the developing team.

[gibsinep]

Before you do be sure to includemy point here on Tiger tanks not evev being around in the battle of Tobruk years.


"I have one problem with the demo and that is this,

The battle of Tobruk started in Jan 22 1941, Then rommel took it back march-april 1941 and the last time Germany was on the offense in Tobruk was June 21 1942, however the Tiger tank(german) which we see some in the game was not even put into production till August 1942, were as the tank could not be in that battle as in the game Germany is on the offense and has no way of having the Tiger there to fight. . I hate it when games are historically incorrect."

[Mutant_Donkey]

understood. ill wait with the email untill monday so i can get all comments

[grimfandango]

Could you please tell them that it works real real slow in a bit old systems..
Can anythin be done about this.

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[Optimus Prime]

hello my friends, could you also tell them to include every army that actually played a part in ww2, not just the ones they liked the most *cough* america *cough* :p. Not that i have anything against americans, i met a lot of american chicks today, they were *very* nice. :)

im only kidding, i think all the comments you made are true, and so is gib's. if they do make it playable on a p3 450 ill be impressed, :D

[gibsinep]

I hope they dont make it playable on an old system like that. I want to use my over 1000mhz for once and not have a company gear a game toward low end system, and we lose out on featurs that could have been better.

I think the only "groups" they chould have are Allies, Axis, Russia ( soviet Unions) whatever they want to call it.

As Allies include such a broad amount of people, and Axis have a few also.

[Mutant_Donkey]

ya, but the game is a very big RAM hog. i had 384mb and it got filles up, and used swap.

[Optimus Prime]

Originally posted by gibsinep
I hope they dont make it playable on an old system like that. I want to use my over 1000mhz for once and not have a company gear a game toward low end system, and we lose out on featurs that could have been better.

I think the only "groups" they chould have are Allies, Axis, Russia ( soviet Unions) whatever they want to call it.

As Allies include such a broad amount of people, and Axis have a few also.

Yes, gib but you and i both know that the american programmers way of 'allies' is americans. :mad: :rolleyes:

[gibsinep]

Well the Americans did have the most of supplies and men over there. Majority rules. :confused:

( This is except for USSR which of course had millions of infrantry and masses of tanks, however they are never considered allies in games. )

[Optimus Prime]

oh come off it gib, the programmers only make american games cos they ARE american! its a form of non-sueable racism. ;)

although most programmers/developers are stupid anyway... about other things than programming... :D

america didnt have many men that FOUGHT in europe until the dirty great assault on the beaches... no, not just omaha, thats just the biggest casualities one, there were 3 that the americans invaded, two for the british, and i cant remember the others, lol... anyway, we gave the hard ones to the americans cos they thought they were real hard, ;) then they all died... :(.

[Mutant_Donkey]

they say it took 5-10 american/british soldiers to overwhelm 1 german soldier. this is cause germans had combat experience in poland, norway, etc. and the allies were new recruits.

[Mutant_Donkey]

http://images.ea.com/eagames/official/bf1942/home/home_ctr.jpg



seems very childish.


VERY childish.

[gibsinep]

The other beach you were thinking of went to Canadia forces.

america didnt have many men that FOUGHT in europe until the dirty great assault on the beaches

What are you talking about?

North Africa- America eventually sent over just as many men as England had over there. (1942)

Italy- America had way more troops fighting there (1943)

All before Normady (1944)

Americans got the hardest beaches becasue A. there were more Americans, and B. The commander of the Invasion ( Dwight Eishenhower, sp?) was an America, not because the "Americans thought they were hard"

[Optimus Prime]

it was a joke about them being hard, i didnt really mean it, although the americans do think they are hard... ;)

HEY! in that picture mutant_donkey gives us i see a british soldier in the background, looking glum and an american looking real hard and beefy and macho... make up your own desicions.

[Mutant_Donkey]

huh? i didnt mean any harm. i just took it from their site to show how ill ... created the picture is.

[gibsinep]

Mabey the final game will be better when it is released.

I doubt it though.

[Logan2002]

Uh people we were allies............................nuff said.
I mean the war was won we speak english and not German
Millions died for that right? Oppression was stopped.

[Optimus Prime]

yes, we all agree on this, but your from america right? and when people who develop games say:

'we' were the allies, they mean

'we' were the americans.

im saying that programmers today only give the audience (mainly americans) what they want to see, its going to get as bad as television. I know a lot of you will disagree with me, but i agree with what i say and stand by it.

Mutant_Donkey, i wasn't saying you were wrong, i was saying the developers are wrong, and that picture proves my point about the americans being in the centre light and the britains in the back spot.

Proof of this is games such as 'RTCW' and 'MOHAA' and 'Day Of Defeat' ALL of the games/mod give you two teams to pick, the allies and the axis...

when you pick the allies, TADAA, you are suddenly an american, not french, not polish, not british, not russian, but american. and its annoying.

And i know plenty of people on this board will reply and say 'STOP whining and get on with your life, who cares about ww2' but I care, I care that the programmers are teaching and enforcing stupid peoples minds that only the americans won the war, and if you want proof, go and play DoD or Counter-Strike over the internet and type 'not just the americans won ww2, ALL OF THE ALLIES won ww2' and you will get a lot of people saying 'SHUT UP! the americans are the best, we conquered the germans *which they dont say nazi's, stupid people* we are the best, we are the hero's of ww2.

Sorry, my rant for the day :)

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Optimus has a point, many of the larger American based industries cn have seemingly "racist" (i use the term loosley) or stereotyped opinions of people from othe rnations. For example according to hollywood all us brits either have broad cockney accents an gleefully yelp "Guv'nah", or speak in very posh and civil tones... not a huge grip - but when you come from the north east where everyones as hard as dried s**t and nobody speaks proper english, hollywoods stereotypical views which are litterally imposed upon ys by the media at large, begin to great... please bear this in mind all you americans :)
Thanks

--Jakk:t

[gibsinep]

Optimus Prime- I dont understand why you have such a problem with Americans, without them England would be either under Nazi rule or Russian rule(if russian managed to beat Germany all by themselves they woud have driven right through Europe)

Also what about Japan? The South Pacific? Were were the so called "allies" on that one? Britain gave a lot of help on that one, but do you see Americans complaining about it if for some reason they see a British flag in a South Pacific game? I have seen a few.

The French- were defeated in how long was that, thats what though so why would they be in the game?

Poland- yeah that took a whole month to take them, why would they be included?

While you are at it you mines as well include portugal, greece, norway, netherlands, ect. ect. ect. I have seen British soldeirs in games. But you must realize that the Shermans you see could have been British as the Americans sent them to England.

In conclusion the "Allies" won the war in the European theater, however it would be unfair to say the "Allies" won the Pacific as the British did nothing in the Pacific but mabey send a few ships and a few men. So it would be unfair to say either the Allies or Americans won the war, they would need to specify.

What about the Russians? The Russsians did way way more than the British did, do they get much credit in games, not usually, as they were/ or weren't considered Allies. Some games put them as Allies some put them as Russia.

Also in real life American/British uniforms, somtimes guns, and everything else so how could you tell the difference. Mabey Just they have a litte accent, but still they look the same.

In a game what flag do you want them to use? They can use both for one objective or one unit. Just let it be.

After reading many many of your posts Optimus Prime, I notice you really have somthing about America and Americans. You are a great guy, I have nothing against you but you seem to always be against them.



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[Bigjakkstaffa]

After reading many many of your posts Optimus Prime, I notice you really have somthing about America and Americans. You are a great guy, I have nothing against you but you seem to always be against them.

...Well if hes anything like me he'll be p!ssed off at just how cheap computer kit is over there compared to the criminal prices on this side of the pond :mad:

--Jakk:t

[Optimus Prime]

i dont have anything against americans, i have a grudge against their programmers and historically innaccurate views, now lets settle this gib, THE ALLIES ARE ALL THE COUNTRIES THAT FOUGHT AGAINST NAZI'S, am i correct? so, the allies won ww2, not america, not britain, not russia, not france, but the ALLIES, EVERY COUNTRY IN THE ALLIES, im not biased to one country or another, i simply wish for the programmers to get a grip on reality and realise that they are wrong... really, wrong.

again, i state i do not have anything against americans, im sure our country is indebted to your help in ww2, but you guys just cant seem to let it go, you cant let it down that the fact you helped us and bring it up every time you are in an argument in ww2, albeit i have brought it up to try and make you guys realise that yes, you helped, now lets give everyone an equal slice of the cake.

gib, you are a great guy,i admire you help and views, but it seems that you cant be wrong, never. :(

and yes, its annoying at the cheap prices for computer components over there, im moving to america.. :) but ill never discuss anything about war, because... im not even going to say, all ill get is bs.

anyway, i hope this solves your problems, its not solved mine :( not until they give equal respect for all the allies not just the americans, *sigh*. :D

[Logan2002]

I agree with the brits on this...............Programmers should be more aware.............or at least show that they are aware.
While putting some nations in a ww2 game might seem out of the question (for example Poland because they were defeated in over a month and thier would be game balance issues)


I think that with some creativity it can be done.
It would add so much diversity to the gaming industry, people all over the world would have something in video games that they could recongnize with and not have to play ONLY American units.


So yeah programmers? Grow the h$ll up. Realize that the world like football (soccer) it is bigger than we ( i will not say better because that is subjective and i am trying to objective).

I spent some time in England in 1999.......and I learned quite a few things and not only from the English but also from the many other nationals that I met.

[Mutant_Donkey]

i too agree that programmers make america stand out above the rest in world war 2 games. i don't have anything against american people, but i HATE the american governemnt.

[gibsinep]

Optimus Prime- well about me being wrong, I have been wrong here so many times it isn't even funny, would you like me to link you there, as it is ok I have no problem in doing it.


Sure the "Allies" won the war, I was saying that whenever Britain was attacked, America was right there to send supplies and eventually troops,( in almost every case). Now look at what happens when America is attacked.

Pearl Harbor-- Britian does declare war but on sends a few ships and a few men.

Sept. 11th well I didn't see much action from then again, did you. Why is this I don't know I honestly don't.

You are correct the Allies were all the countries that fought against the Axis powers. However you must give credit were credit is due.

Also why is there no British programmed games? I really want to know this one as I haven't seen a lot( if any) ww2 games that were programmed in England.

I see no problem if you put a Sherman tank in a game that could be either a British or American unit if no flag is there, I have seen tons of games like this. So which is it. Your guess would be as good as mine.
Games like MOHAA and RTCW only have Americans in them as they only concentrate on American battles or follow an American story line. Example being Mohaa, they go with North African American battles. D-day they picked Ohama beach( it was the bloodiest so that why I think it was picked.

I also never said that game developers do give credit to the English/other allies. So I am really not disagreeing with you on this.

The personal attacks are really not needed here in the argument
( I am sorry if I said any to you they were not meant nor needed)

Lastly why do Americans bring up in all WW2 arguments about how they helped. There is a real simple answer to this, that being millions of Americans died helping another country stay democratic and tyrant free. America didn't need to do this, they could have focused 100% on Japan vs 15% on it and 85% in Europe.

[Optimus Prime]

ok, ok i get where you are coming from, but let my last comment just wrap up this discussion yes?

When Poland was invaded by the Axis powers, Britain declared war on the Axis powers, now. I have met many polish people in my (short) lifetime and whenever we have discussed ww2 neither I or THEY have said 'we saved your **** in ww2'. sure, we didn't send them any supplies or what not, but we declared the second world war, britain. There were countries to back us up such as America and France.

The best ww2 game i like the most has to be Commandos, such a great game, so realistic, so accurate. You can't say its biased cos it has a French guy, A British guy, An Irish guy and an american, not sure about the sniper. :)

Oh, and another key comment i missed out in my discussions was this little phrase which i hate the most, and it really drives me insane...

'Well, us Americans won the war... We saved yur *** in dubyah dubyah too. lol.

So, lets agree on something, the allies won the war. yes?

the americans were a vital part of winning the war, so was every country in the allies, but america deserves credit as they weren't attacked until japan destroyed pearl harbour (which i thought the film totally sucked, any comments on that? :) ).

[gibsinep]

Yeah the movie was pretty bad, ok I think this disscussion is done. :t

[Bigjakkstaffa]

One fo my friends is FORCING me to watch pearl harbour tonight!!

--She's also made me listen to her cr@ppy music for the last 2 weeks -- its just not fair i tell you :(:(

--Jakk:t

[Mutant_Donkey]

i sent email yesterday. no reply so ill send it again.

[gibsinep]

Mutant_Donkey- what is the address?

I would like to send some stuff to them
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[MGorne]

Just wanted to put your attention to the fact that the game was programmed by Swedish developers DICE, not by americans.

As for historical accuracy, this was not the top priority for the developers. It's supposed to be an extremely exciting multiplayer experience in a WWII setting and for all I've read in the previews they've succeded. The only reasonably realistic war game I played was Operation Flashpoint but that was so full of bugs and poor graphics that it took away from the experience. I am confident this game will be a smash hit.

[gibsinep]

I am confident this game will be a smash hit.

You will probabley be right as the general buying consumer doesn't care about historically correct games, all they want is good graphics.

[Bigjakkstaffa]

--Oh dear -- i know you guys said pearl harbor was bad -- but jeeeehzus!!

--bf 1942 surefly has to be better than this movie, and it did well, so gibs prolly right in that the game will be a hit regardless of whatever flaws it has -- akin to this crappy film i guess..

--Jakk:t

[gibsinep]

In this world special effect and graphics in a game or movie is how the world judges it. Which is really dumb imo. :(

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Indeed - :(

Some of my favourite films are in black and white, and many of them are in another language and have been subtitled - try getting someone to watch em with you... no chance - your on ur own mate :(

--Jakk:t

[gibsinep]

One of the best movies I ever saw was "The Killer" it was a Chinese movie with English subs. However you didnt even have to read the subs to get the movie, all they did was kill a mess load of people. :D

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Yeah - its A HKBO THAT ONE (HONG KONG BLOOD OPERA)

oops caps :$

...the films that made Chow Yeun Fat and John Woo famous, ima big fan of the blood operas although i am much less simpressed by most of Woo's hollywood work :(

Hard boiled is also another good one to watch gib, as is bulelt in the head, and the better tomorrow series... two of my other favourite foreign moviews are Man Bites Dog (belgian or dutch i think), and Hana - Bi (fireworks) which is chinese (i think :S)...but can i jim buggery get anyone to sit and watch em with me...

--Jakk:t

[gibsinep]

I will have to check those movies out, Yep me either no one wants to read during a movie I guess. :confused:

[Optimus Prime]

nu-uh! i dont mind reading whilst watching a film. i've watched a lot a manga's and they have subtitles... they are great animations though...

[gibsinep]

Animation? (shivvers) not for me, unless it is cartoon animations liek the simpsons or somthing like that. :p

[Mutant_Donkey]

they must have some sort of filters that blocked my message due to the content.




GIB:


ADRESS IS: eagamesonline@ea.com

[Optimus Prime]

Originally posted by gibsinep
Animation? (shivvers) not for me, unless it is cartoon animations liek the simpsons or somthing like that. :p

i dont wish to start a discussion again, but i take it you do not like games then? :) games feature animation... and yes, manga is japanese CARTOON animation... its great.

[gibsinep]

Watching and playing are two very big different things, I dont think you can argue that. I just hate japan animation. Opinion you will never change as much as you fight me.


Mutant- thanks for the address, they blocked your message?

Did you sware. lol :p :eek:

[Mutant_Donkey]

i too hate anime, all types of it. its SICKENING that thousands of people on DC share 60gb+ of anime titles, films, etc. SOme poeple also waste time to SET UP THEIR OWN ftp servers to share rare anime titles. i dont know how a person can like such things as this.


gib:

the message i sent was the exact same as my first post in this thread (refer to it if necessary). i also added what you told me to about the tiger tanks. i dont know exactly why they didnt respond, but if you are succesful communicating with them, please send some transcript of my list of bug fixes.

thanks

[Optimus Prime]

whoa, mutant donkey, chill man, i said i liked the animation, im not some crazy red-eyed freak that gets high over watching a manga! :p

i just think it shows much more detail than Scooby Doo ever did...

And by MANGA i DO NOT MEAN: Dragon ball z, any other anime title on the kiddy channels like cartoon network etc.

i mean the ones with blood and gore! :x :x :x

[Bigjakkstaffa]

mutant donkey, as regards your email, sounds more like "we dont like it so we dont wanna hear it" by the developrs, i doubt they will have blocked it -- more likely chosen to ignore it...

Such is the simple mindedness of the world at large in the modern age :rolleyes:

--Jakk:t

[Mutant_Donkey]

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
whoa, mutant donkey, chill man, i said i liked the animation, im not some crazy red-eyed freak that gets high over watching a manga! :p

i just think it shows much more detail than Scooby Doo ever did...

And by MANGA i DO NOT MEAN: Dragon ball z, any other anime title on the kiddy channels like cartoon network etc.

i mean the ones with blood and gore! :x :x :x

sorry optimus, i wasnt reffering to you specifically. i didnt read all the posts so i guess i did lack foreknowledge of the subject.

Bigjakkstaffa: well, if they chose to ignore it, the final version will be plauged with horrible physics and ballistics, as well as inacuurate history. evetnually, itll get boring.

[Optimus Prime]

Originally posted by Mutant_Donkey


sorry optimus, i wasnt reffering to you specifically. i didnt read all the posts so i guess i did lack foreknowledge of the subject.

Bigjakkstaffa: well, if they chose to ignore it, the final version will be plauged with horrible physics and ballistics, as well as inacuurate history. evetnually, itll get boring.

no biggie mutant! :D

as for the horrible ballistics and unaccurate history... the game will sell good to the mass then wouldn't it! ;) as long as the mass get what they want to hear, they will buy it.

[Dave Myers]

I read through this entire thread, wanting to respond to the whole Allies argument. Every time I wanted to respond, someone said what I was going to say.

It's the whole "Saving Private Ryan" thing all over again. That movie came out and made bucks. People have been copying the whole WW2 American deal since. Mix in 9/11, and now it is almost cliche to have US soldiers facing incredible odds killing the trecherous enemy without consideration to historical correctness.

Look, History was written by the winners, hence has a high probability of being skewed. Americans don't have a good sence of histroy because it isn't taught to us very effectively. Mix these thoughts together, and no wonder that our videogames/movies/books are all slanted in our favor. We, as Americans need to learn to be more objective. We need to understand that the people in charge may not always tell us the truth. I'm not talking about turning interns into humidors, I'm talking connections to Enron and missle defence shields.

I run on the opinion that 80% of Americans are dumbasses, while %20 keep the place atleast functional. I do all I can every day to be part of the %20.

[Optimus Prime]

Dave Myers. you have written everything i wanted to hear and more... i believe you were going to build a missile thingy but the public refused? well i dont know much about that...

all i can say is Dave is my new bestest friend! :)

[gibsinep]

Americans don't have a good sence of histroy because it isn't taught to us very effectively

Hey speak for yourself there. :mad:

[Optimus Prime]

ah but gib, did you go out and read those history books in your own free time? i think you did. i think the point he is trying to say is history is not taught as well as it used to be.... although i COULD be wrong, then again im 'always' wrong. ;)

[gibsinep]

It is true that some history is tauht bad. However other areas are really covered were I live lke "Native Americans" (lol)

So it isnt true that all history is tauht bad. I did read about WW2 on my own though.

Though WW2 was never reall taught well were I lived as even my Dad never was taught aboutit for more than a day. :(

[Optimus Prime]

ONLY A DAY!? wow, man.

[gibsinep]

yea I know pretty bad huh, when his dad was in WW2. But yet we spend over 3 MONTHS on Native Americans. :( :eek: :mad:

[Optimus Prime]

hmm, in years 7, 8 and 9 ( the first 3 years of high school) it was compulsory for us to do history, we learned about a LOT of things, from ww1, ww2, to the slave trades.

we had one of the good teachers for history =D.

[gibsinep]

Are teachers to a great job of teaching history up until about 1939 but after that we skim through the rest from there.

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Or you could be a real dumbass liek me and decide the three compulsary years of history are so great you'll do the other two to boot... and thats where it gets as dull as dishwater -- British Social and Economic history -- pah!

---However college syllabus is much more interesting and as a bit of a modern history enthusiast i intend to go on with history for yet another 2 years :D

--Jakk:t

[Dave Myers]

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
ah but gib, did you go out and read those history books in your own free time? i think you did. i think the point he is trying to say is history is not taught as well as it used to be.... although i COULD be wrong, then again im 'always' wrong. ;)

That is EXACTLY what I am saying. :)

Yes, gib and I taught ourselves WWII (I am still learning) but by and large Gen X and beyond doesn't really know that much about World History.

I should have said MOST Americans don't have a sence of history.