gf3 ti500 or gf4 ti4200 [Archive]

grimfandango

07-11-2002, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Disk11
should i get a gf3 ti500 or a gf4 ti4200?

The gf3ti500 is not as fast as the Gf4ti 4200.
the price difference is not much.(10-14$)..
The Gf4 ti 4200 is much better ..
Just make sure you get the 64mb version cause they are faster (better) than the 128mb version.

look here
http://www17.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q2/020418/vgacharts-05.html

:t

kvk007

07-11-2002, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by grimfandango

Just make sure you get the 64mb version cause they are faster (better) than the 128mb version.

huh?? :eek: i hope you are not sleeping while typing :D

grimfandango

07-11-2002, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by kvk007

huh?? :eek: i hope you are not sleeping while typing :D

du-uh...
Where do you live??? Dont you know that the Gf4ti 4200 64mb is much faster than the 128mb version???

Gf4 ti4200
64mb version
250core/500mhz memory

128mb version
250core/ 444mhz memory.

:p :p

kvk007

07-11-2002, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by grimfandango

du-uh...
Where do you live??? Dont you know that the Gf4ti 4200 64mb is much faster than the 128mb version???

i better go and sleep agian.. goodnight :eek:

grimfandango

07-11-2002, 01:42 PM

good night.
sweet dreams!!!
:p

Optimus Prime

07-11-2002, 02:37 PM

yes, it is EXTREMELY stupid, what is the POINT of releasing a 128mb card when its crapper than the 64 mb card, even in HIGH resolutions it does ****.... WHATS THE DEAL!?

grimfandango

07-11-2002, 02:50 PM

Optimus Prime
it does indeed sound real stupid.. But I think its a Trade off.
less ram more speed. more ram less speed.

I think they should make the 128mb version same speed as the 64mb (250/500)

Disk11

07-11-2002, 03:25 PM

thanks alot!!!

Optimus Prime

07-11-2002, 03:37 PM

bah, im gonna get the 64mb card of whatever im gonna get

either 8500 or ti 4200 **** ITS A HARD CHOICE! im really stuck and need advice :(

Disk11

07-11-2002, 03:39 PM

strat ur own thread optimus...

btw, where should i look for good overclock drivers for gf4 ti4200?

grimfandango

07-11-2002, 05:41 PM

I use ver 29.42 they are so far the best..

www.nvidia.com

And if you want to overclock your video card use riva tuner.
you can download it here
http://www.nvworld.ru/downloads/rivatuner.zip
:)

tricktx

07-11-2002, 06:25 PM

WHY THE HELL DO YOU WANT TO OVERCLOCK A TI4200

bushmaster

07-12-2002, 12:55 AM

I have a Ti 4200 was worth the $$$. Bought it open box at best buy for $145.

Bizkitkid2001

07-12-2002, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by grimfandango
I use ver 29.42 they are so far the best..

www.nvidia.com

And if you want to overclock your video card use riva tuner.
you can download it here
http://www.nvworld.ru/downloads/rivatuner.zip
:)

They work real good on my computer, increased my FPS about 10, but it will only run for 10 minutes, then it restarts and I don't know why, so I am stuck with the 23.11 drivers and can't get anything higher working.:mad: :(

Optimus Prime

07-12-2002, 01:38 AM

what card you got?

Bizkitkid2001

07-12-2002, 02:29 AM

Gainward GeForce 2 ti 450

Optimus Prime

07-12-2002, 02:33 AM

i would use the older drivers anyway, the newer ones are meant for newer cards like the GF 4 Ti's

grimfandango

07-12-2002, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
i would use the older drivers anyway, the newer ones are meant for newer cards like the GF 4 Ti's

Are you sure Optimus Prime ?????
:p

All I have is an old Gf2mx 200 64mb (which is an very old card and stupid too ) and the latest driver that is 29.80 which is certified by microsoft works great on my system. No hang ups, No restarts nothin. It works great. Games and all work a little better.

:p

grimfandango

07-12-2002, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by Bizkitkid2001

They work real good on my computer, increased my FPS about 10, but it will only run for 10 minutes, then it restarts and I don't know why, so I am stuck with the 23.11 drivers and can't get anything higher working.:mad: :(

did you remove your old drivers before installin new ones??
'
:)

Bizkitkid2001

07-12-2002, 03:16 AM

I had reformatted the hard drive after I put the card in so no other drivers were there for it. I think the problem is something to do with my hard drive. I've heard people say that slower drive will effect your 3d mark. Plus my hard drives turn off every now and then because the ball bearings are going out. Thats why I bought a new one. Should be getting hear tommorrow.

I have changed all of my irq setting to where my video card has its own number. It also could be another thing I have installed, but as I have said before, they were installed after a clean reformatt. I think the reason might be that my computer is made out of three different computers:p (Acer, gateway, and some new parts I picked up from different stores.)

mharolde

07-12-2002, 04:13 AM

WHY THE HELL DO YOU WANT TO OVERCLOCK A TI4200

Because we can:D

grimfandango

07-12-2002, 04:46 AM

i dont think that will make a difference..(computer is made out of three different computers)

AS for slow hdd. Mine too is very slow and old.
I dont think that make your system restart with new drivers!

Tell us whats happens with your new hdd!!!

:t

Benssax

07-12-2002, 11:58 AM

29.42 drivers work with my Geforce 2 Ti. I love it to.

Beeblequix

07-12-2002, 01:48 PM

I've also heard that the 23.11 were the best for G3's and below, and that the newer ones are aimed at the Geforce 4s. That's not to say you cannot use them or that they won't be more stable. Simply that these drivers have the Geforce 4 in mind. The extra technology on the Geforce 4s could benefit from more tweaked drivers than a driver meant for a Geforce 2MX 400. *shrug* But I'm just speculating.

My MSI Geforce 4 ti 4200 comes overclocked at 250core and 513 memory. This gives me just a bit more edge in gaming. I absolutely LOVE ANTI ALIASING. My 'old' Geforce 3 ti 200 lacked muscle in AA, and I understand that the G3ti500 will also have more diffuculty than the G4ti's.

I just checked out that link to Tom's Hardware. I find it interesting that my 1700+ and 4200(64meg) is keeping up with the 2000+ and 4400, according to the chart. All I can say is that either their system isn't set up very well, or mine is tweaked really good. They are different drivers, so that's probably a big part.

The 128 meg versions do better than the faster timed 64 meg versions in stuff which requires a lot of texturing. Frankly though, there really isn't much out right now that will benefit more with 128 megs.

To add my tuppence: get the Geforce 4 ti 4200. It's a great price and a superb performer. 4S Anti Aliasing on DX games looks real good and you'll outperform an ATI 8500 by around 1000 points on the same subsystem + cpu.

ßeeßle Qµix

Angruin

07-13-2002, 05:52 AM

I was looking for just this thread, or was thinking of starting a new one. Darned helpful - think I will go out and buy a Geforce4 Ti4200. :)

grimfandango

07-13-2002, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Angruin
I was looking for just this thread, or was thinking of starting a new one. Darned helpful - think I will go out and buy a Geforce4 Ti4200. :)

good idea get Gf4ti4200 64mb
:)

Jawa

07-13-2002, 11:35 AM

I ran a TNT/2 with the latest nVidia drivers; no problems. They are universal drivers for every nVidia-based card. :)

The Jawa

Disk11

07-15-2002, 10:22 PM

i think my issue is solved. thanks a lot!! some one please close this thread.

grimfandango

07-16-2002, 05:40 AM

hehehe!!

I know how you feel!!
:D

Benssax

07-16-2002, 11:42 AM

The 128mb version ti4200 is better in very high resolution. But get the 64mb version..

Bigjakkstaffa

07-16-2002, 12:12 PM

Optimus - what you were sayig bout he 128 cards beig pants compared to the 64mb - id been doing soem comparin gthe other day and decided upon the 64mb instead but you werent on MSN for me to mention. Are you still gonna buy from Ebuyer, as im undecided about the 64mb cards, theres a GAINWARD golden sample and an MSI, which i THINK overclocks higher and has a much better software bundle.... oh decisions :confused:
Have you been looknig at either?

--Jakk:t

vibe666

07-16-2002, 07:47 PM

you can overclock it so it runs as fast as a Ti4400 or I have heard somewhere some versions (don't ask me which as I don't have t confirmed) will even run stable overclocked to the same speed as the 4600 with some extra cooling on them.

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grimfandango

07-17-2002, 02:15 AM

Well you can overclok only SEcards to speeds of gf4ti4600 !!cause they come with real fast ram!

Disk11

07-22-2002, 10:06 AM

since this thread is still open...

is the 64mb ti 4200 cheeper than the 128mb? couldn't someone o/c the 128 to run @ 500 mhz or better?

Disk11

07-22-2002, 10:07 AM

couldn't someone o/c the 128 to run @ 500 mhz or better?
sry, i mean the ram

grimfandango

07-22-2002, 10:40 AM

well the 128mb version come with slower ram. so you cant overclok them as much as the 64mb version..

BUt the 128mb se version that one yes you can overclock more than the 64mb!!

:t

Disk11

07-22-2002, 11:14 AM

how about some prices?

Bigjakkstaffa

07-22-2002, 11:18 AM

£130 for a good gf4 ti4200 64mb (dunno what that equates to in USD) and about 150 for the 128mb's, although if your not running at higth res' you aint gonna notice any difference for you extra money...

--Jakk:t

grimfandango

07-22-2002, 11:29 AM

Gf4 ti4200 64mb for 136us$ including shippin!!
Gf4 ti4200 128 mb for 163$ including shipping!

:t

Disk11

07-22-2002, 11:31 AM

sounds like the 64 mb one is better. thanks alot!:D

grimfandango

07-22-2002, 11:35 AM

yea go for the 64mb !!!

:t

Bizkitkid2001

07-22-2002, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by grimfandango
i dont think that will make a difference..(computer is made out of three different computers)

AS for slow hdd. Mine too is very slow and old.
I dont think that make your system restart with new drivers!

Tell us whats happens with your new hdd!!!

:t

I still have the same problem with the new hard drive. I think its my video card, I tried going to gainwairds web site and download there drivers, but I could never figure out how to install them:rolleyes:

jake_westmorley

07-22-2002, 04:04 PM

Got myself a ti4200...
In the beginning of the thread, there was a debate about 64mb vs. 128 mb. (I got the 64mb version, btw).
I read Doom3 would load 80mb textures when it comes out.
I dunno, but it seems to me that getting it to fit in the 64mb ram is gonna be a problem, and i wouldn't want to rely on the agp to swap textures in and out all the time.
The ti4200 i got from ebuyer is the msi model. It seems to overclock fine, but no VIVO, regardless what hexus.net says!! Only tv-out. I got my gpu/ram running at 620/315, stock cooling, and it's hot in my case. Often the gpu of ti4200's can clock higher due to newer stepping compared to most ti4400 and ti4600 cards.
Overall, happy with the msi, except for one thing: the fan is hell noisy. sure, it allows nice overclock (same fan as on ti4600 model), but my entire pc is built for silence, so it's not appreciated. but then again, my ibm120gxp raid array also makes helluva noise, so... :-( I can distinctly hear the graphics card now (i was using a fanless GF2mx before - big difference in noise and performance)...
Well yeah, that's about it. Just wanted to point out that the 128mb version is perhaps not so bad, depending on overclockability of the ram...
Cheers,

Jake

jake_westmorley

07-22-2002, 04:10 PM

I said in my previous post that the 64mb version may be unsuitable for doom3. perhaps even the 128mb version will be unsuitable for doom3 as well.
I tried today the unreal tournament 2003 install (HELL 4.5GB INSTALL??? WTF??) - version 927. It crawls at 1024*768*32 max settings /w overclocking card to levels previously mentioned...
Well... crawls... not really... it's fine when you're running around, but when there's another player on the screen... hoboy...
the cpu is a athlonxp@1644mhz, on kt266a mobo, so i don't think that the limit is my cpu performance really...
So if doom3 is even worse than UT2003 (seems so - i was NOT impressed by ut2003 at all), then either the 64mb or 128mb version of the ti4200 is gonna be nasty...
Anyone wanna comment?

Jake

grimfandango

07-22-2002, 07:10 PM

even wirh the Gf4ti 4200 64mb you can play DOOM3 at max and around 40-50 fps!! I think that is good enough!!

jake_westmorley

07-22-2002, 07:39 PM

where did you get that information from? doom3 as far as i know, has only been demo'd on an r300, soooo...
i got the 80mb textures info on xbitlabs forums i think, so that is only a rumour, but it's better than making up 40-50fps info, i should think...
i am simply a little skeptical about your information, perhaps a source reference would help me out...

Jake

jake_westmorley

07-22-2002, 07:42 PM

btw, what is "max" for doom3? what resolution?
i was playing ut2003 today (jesus i am disappointed in that game!), 1024*768*32, all options to max, and it slowed a lot when more than one person on screen. kinda strange. still not very high fps even when alone walking down a corridor too!
and doom3 supposed to be quite a bit tougher requirements than ut2003...

Jake

grimfandango

07-22-2002, 08:01 PM

Yea the benchmark ran doom3 in 1024x726 with everythin at MAX on the gf4ti200 nd many more cards!

The Gf4 ti 4200 got aroun 40-50fps!!

I am sorry I dont have the link..
saw this about 2-3 months back on a German site

:)

Bigjakkstaffa

07-23-2002, 10:20 AM

Jake - bear in mind that the ut2k3 code you are running is not the finished article - the code probably still needs a little bit of a touch up here and there...

--Jakk:t

grimfandango

07-23-2002, 11:01 AM

yea the finished product will run even better!

vibe666

07-23-2002, 11:48 AM

not to mention lots of card specific enhancements. chances are that there aren't any optimisations for any mainstream cards yet. just the generic DirectX and OpenGL support.

can't wait either way.

if they made the unprecedented move of including multi-threading I'd be out selling a kidney to get myself a dual CPU MoBo :x :r :D

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Benssax

07-23-2002, 04:58 PM

Well my brother got the Gainward Ti4200 128mb version for the VIVO capability. (Video In mostly)

OpK Chowdy

07-24-2002, 02:44 PM

I plan to get the ti4200 if that means anything!

grimfandango

07-24-2002, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by OpK Chowdy
I plan to get the ti4200 if that means anything!

you can Get the ATI 9000 for less than 85$..!!!

Disk11

07-24-2002, 04:33 PM

how does the 9000 compare to the 4200?

Bizkitkid2001

07-24-2002, 04:51 PM

the radeon 9000 compares to about a geforce 4 mx. Its not really that fast.

Bizkitkid2001

07-24-2002, 04:52 PM

Doom 3 will be able to run on a geforce 3

grimfandango

07-24-2002, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Bizkitkid2001
the radeon 9000 compares to about a geforce 4 mx. Its not really that fast.

Yea you are right the Radeon 9000 is better than the Gf4mx 440,460.!!!!

Aznmask

07-26-2002, 11:48 PM

IF you play alot of gaming go for Geforce 4 ti4200 , if u watch dvd wiht your pc, go for ATI..

Disk11

07-31-2002, 03:12 PM

check this out (from newegg.com):
Chipset Name: ATI RADEON 9000 Pro
Clock Speed: 275 MHz
Graphics Core: 256 bit
AGP Speed: 4X/8X
Key Features:
Speed: 550 MHz (DDR)
Triangles Per second: 43 Million
Memory Information Interface: 128 bit DDR
Band Width: 8.8 GB/s

Chipset Name:
Nvidia Geforce4 Ti 4400
Technical Name: NV 25
Clock Speed: 275 MHz
AGP Speed: 4X
Key Features: nfiniteFX II AA
Pixels/Texels per second: 1100/2200
Triangles Per second: 125 Million
Memory Information Interface: 128 bit DDR
Speed: 550 MHz (DDR)
Band Width:
8.8 GB/s

hmm...:rolleyes:

Bigjakkstaffa

07-31-2002, 03:25 PM

The only thing of note ive heard about the Radeon 9000, in comparison to the huigh end gf4 cards, is that it is much better at handling higher detail settings (eg AA etc) yet retaining playable framerates, wheras the geforce 4's start to lead off...

--Jakk:t

vibe666

07-31-2002, 06:06 PM

man people are really fussy when it comes to games. I've had to put up with about 10 fps with the only game I have that will play (carmageddon 2) on this old piece of **** I have now.

be grateful for anything above 25fps, some of us don't have the luxury of decent equipment:(

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Bigjakkstaffa

07-31-2002, 06:16 PM

Is it really that bad vibe?? - what you running you poor bugger :p

--Jakk:t

Optimus Prime

07-31-2002, 06:38 PM

hes running 486 with 1 mb video card, 8 mb ram, 13" monitor and cheap-used mouse/keyboard ;)

vibe666

07-31-2002, 08:40 PM

not quite that bad, but not far off.

PII300
64MB RAM
3GB HDD
ATI Rage Pro (Think it's the 8MB one, but not sure)
15" Monitor - it's got 'Ultra' written on it, but trust me it's not :(
56k Modem
crappy key tronic keyboard
crappy MS Wheel mouse, that's done more miles than my last car.

very sad, and now the g/f won't let me spend all my hard earned inheritance on a new PC :mad:

Bigjakkstaffa

08-01-2002, 04:00 AM

Similar to my second box (now being regularly wrecked by my sis:(), except i "needed" a new gfx card so i could play OGL games (i also had an 8mb ATi Rage ), so i got a voodoo3 16mb PCI 2000...

what a wise investment taht was... they went t!ts up a few month later:rolleyes:

Also i got the 300A to 450mhz :D

--Jakk:t

vibe666

08-01-2002, 08:01 AM

I might just try that. it's a rented system anyways. anyone know what temp a PII300 should go to comfortably before it pops? (as long as it lasts the next 2 months I don't care too much :D

bob05

08-01-2002, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by vibe666
man people are really fussy when it comes to games. I've had to put up with about 10 fps with the only game I have that will play (carmageddon 2) on this old piece of **** I have now.

be grateful for anything above 25fps, some of us don't have the luxury of decent equipment:(

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I think this is very true. Like all those threads "I CAN'T GET 5000 FSP's IN QUAKE 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I mean c'mon, <20 to <10 is somthnig to compalain about. :rolleyes:

Bigjakkstaffa

08-01-2002, 11:56 AM

Vibe, what OS are you running??

Check out www.tweak3d.net for a comprehensive list of system tweaks, my other system (similar to yours) has many of these and they do in many cases make a difference to the overall "feel" and responsivness of the system :)

--Jakk:t

Disk11

08-02-2002, 09:27 AM

no one seems to catch my last post. i was amazed that the r9000 has the same core clock, memory clock, and bandwidth. i guess 2x the memory makes for 3x the triangle output:confused:

Optimus Prime

08-02-2002, 09:56 AM

the r9000 is a cheapo budget card, the r9700 is a full blown Nvidia destroyer :D

Disk11

08-02-2002, 10:20 AM

yeah. 14000 on the 3d mark 2001 i think:r

jake_westmorley

08-08-2002, 12:10 PM

found this while surfing the net... i am surprised at how big a performance hit 64mb is compared to 128mb in higher resolutions in a game which is, frankly, not all that visually stunning...

Jake

http://images.tweaktown.com/imagebank/ti4200_test5.gif

ps: source is tweaktown

Bigjakkstaffa

08-08-2002, 01:41 PM

At higher res more memory is needed - so naturally the card with the larger memory will be the better of the two. In the case of the ti4200 the 64mb has higher clocked memory - so at lower res's will beat the 128mb card.

Now id advise you to pick up a 128mb Ti4200 and o/c the ram to around about ti4400 speed. That should have you happily skipping along in your favourite games for quite some time :)

--Jakk:t

jake_westmorley

08-09-2002, 05:38 AM

no, i was just posting it for grimfandango (i think that's his nick), cos he was saying that a 64mb card would be better than 128, and so on... (it's a few pages back). Now I dunno about you, but i hardly call 1024*768 a "high resolution", and already there the 64mb is significantly behind...
Yes, if I had to choose again, i'd get a 128mb card (i got an msi 64mb ti4200). The asus version of the ti4200 looks interesting, if anyone's still looking for a card..

Jake

Bigjakkstaffa

08-09-2002, 07:11 AM

grimmys a she not a he ...dont worry - ive made the same mistake before as well :r:r

--Jakk:t

jake_westmorley

08-09-2002, 07:19 AM

hmmm, okay then...
still... it was for "her" then... eh-eh... :rolleyes:

Jake

Optimus Prime

08-09-2002, 07:55 AM

you are both wrong, games nowadays dont even use 32mb of the ram on graphics cards, let alone 128!

jake_westmorley

08-09-2002, 08:54 AM

Where did you get that from? Did you even look at the picture associated with my post?? :confused:
Doom3 is supposed to load 80MB of textures on startup, and that is no matter what resolution you play in...

Bigjakkstaffa

08-09-2002, 11:39 AM

Yup - you be wrong by a long way Optimus, Doom 3 is gonna need 80 mb at max settings, so id advise all to get 128mb cards even if colocked slower. Also there is noticeable slowdown with new titles such as SOF2 on 64mb ti4200's at top whack details and resolutions :(

--Jakk:t

Disk11

10-11-2002, 04:23 PM

who sells the cheepest ti4200 128mb? wondering if i can go below $140.

x51out

10-11-2002, 11:54 PM

Yes. AOPEN @ http://www.gameve.com/store/gameve_index.asp?showit=1 .
Check here for more:http://www.pricewatch.com/ :t

extreme_gamer

10-12-2002, 12:29 AM

geforce 4 ti 4600 rocks.. but money is your problem and the 4200 does better than the other one:)

OpK Chowdy

10-12-2002, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by grimfandango

Just make sure you get the 64mb version cause they are faster (better) than the 128mb version.

you had better be joking. when doom3 comes out it'll bring the 64mb cards to it's knees and decapitate them. on the other hand, the 128mb sub-radeon9700 cards will only be mamed by the game. can you tell i have a violent imagination?