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06-21-2002, 01:59 PM
are ibm hard drives reliable, on a scale of 1 to 10 what would you rate them?
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Click to See Complete Forum and Search --> : ibm hard drives, good, bad? racronus 06-21-2002, 01:59 PM are ibm hard drives reliable, on a scale of 1 to 10 what would you rate them? Bovon 06-21-2002, 02:36 PM Some or all IBM series hard drives have been failing much more than others. I haven't read anything recently about IBM drive failures, maybe they fixed the problem. I have never owned an IBM drive, so I can't compare them to other drives. I have used Maxtor in recent years with good success...no failures, but...should a Maxtor drive fail, or even if the owner thinks it is about to fail, Maxtor has the best RMA, no questions asked return policy going I have heard of. Lycia 06-21-2002, 02:48 PM I have a 60gig IBM GXP and I have no problems... From what I understand, it's the 70GXP that have had the failure problems... arkie 06-21-2002, 03:55 PM Our IBM Aptiva is over 5 years old, never had a hardware problem. 4.3 GB HD. My wife is using it right now. :t Midknyte 06-21-2002, 04:20 PM IBM drives have been the standard for a long time. I have heard of recent batches with problems (see data storage), but for the most part, IBMS are good drives. I guess I would give them an 8. Maxtor, Western Digital, and Seagate are all solid companies. The new WD drives with the 8MB cache are pretty awesome. as far as returns/exchanges, Maxtor was probably the easiest, but WD and Seagate weren't too bad either. I have gotten a bigger drive almost every time I've had to return one. Fujitsu was kinda of a pain to get a replacement from. :D Here's a good place to read up on the different drives: www.storagereview.com grimfandango 06-21-2002, 05:57 PM HAY now wait. IBM hdd are real good. I have been usin a 16gb from 1998!! :eek: And I use me com all time. no problem at all, (they may be real,real slow thats all). but they are real good. so far. :) jad1097 06-21-2002, 06:36 PM IBM IDE drives have a seriously bad reputation especially the entire GXP series. Too many die..click..click..click..dead. http://www.tech-report.com/news_reply.x/2799/ http://www.tech-report.com/onearticle.x/3494 lets not forget this either. http://www.sheller.com/ibmclassaction.htm But... IBM hands over HDD biz to Hitachi (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/24896.html) Ape0r 06-21-2002, 06:40 PM I have a 20 gig IBM Deskstar thats about 28 months old - Never had any hard drive failures at all, but from what I hear a lot of people have. I would recommend Maxtor or Western Digital hard drives personally. rangeral 06-21-2002, 07:02 PM Westerns have been failing of late I used them for around 4yrs til recently, friends store is getting tired of their failure rate, I sent 2 back and both rma's were dead consequently I've switched to seagates, ibm doesn't send back what you think you should get. racronus 06-22-2002, 04:59 AM Originally posted by Lycia I have a 60gig IBM GXP and I have no problems... From what I understand, it's the 70GXP that have had the failure problems... are the 80gb and 100gb any good? those are my main choices so far. jad1097 06-22-2002, 08:16 AM All IBM GXP drives are unreliable. Please read the links I provided above and read what hundreds of people have to say. From my second link: By now, most of us are familiar with the serious reliability problems with IBM GXP-series hard drives (75GXP and 60GXP, primarily). Apparently high failure rates have even spawned a class-action suit against IBM. Then there was an IBM tech's bizarre recommendation revealed last week that 120GXP drives not be used more than eight hours a day. Sites like StorageReview and VIAHardware have withdrawn recommendations of IBM hard drives. IBM has finally responded to StorageReview's questions with a clarification of sorts: The 333 power-on hours (POH) defined in the 120GXP data sheet is not a new spec for our GXP drives; it is consistent with what we've held our desktop drives to in previous generation drives. The 333 power-on spec is not an indication of a maximum number of power-on hours or limitation of the Deskstar 120GXP. Our specifications indicate that the 333 power-on hours per month represent typical desktop PC usage. This assumes an 11-hour day based on a 30 day month. Users can and have successfully run the drive more than 11 hours a day and 333 hours per month; the drives have been used successfully in 24x7 environments. IBM stands by the 3-year warranty for the 120GXP. Power-on hours will not be a determining factor in negating the warranty. However, warranties are only so useful when your drive crashes and takes your critical data with it. To date, IBM has said next to nothing about GXP failure rates, and without solid failure rate data, it's hard to know how bad the problems are. But as I sat here this weekend recovering data from my dad's failed 60GXP, I got a new hint at the true scope of the problem. It's called The Thread That Won't Die. Ever since Andy first wrote up a news post asking for GXP drive failure (or success) stories back in August, the comments have been coming in. Unlike most of our other comments threads, which tend to die as soon as any trace of them vanishes from TR's front page, this thing has only picked up steam over time. And the stories folks are telling are not pretty. Read through some of them and see what I mean. It's phenomenal—and phenomenally depressing. Since I recommended 75GXP drives in this very space before all of this started, I should probably say something more. In case you haven't gotten it through your head yet, don't buy IBM hard drives, especially the ATA variety (the GXP line). I'm not sure what's more disturbing: the drives' apparently extremely high failure rates or IBM's lack of communication with customers and the press. Either way, though, IBM doesn't deserve your business. If you value your data (or your time), pass on the GXP drives. As an alternative, I recommend Maxtor's DiamondMax Plus D740X drives. Dr. John from KickAss Gear sent along a bunch of these for us to use in testing, and I've been very impressed with them. The D740X has some of the best seek times around, which makes its performance in everyday use feel astoundingly fast. Otherwise identically configured test rigs turn in significantly higher Winstone scores with the D740X than with the 75GXP. Also, these drives support ATA/133, so they're good to go on boards with the latest Highpoint ATA RAID controllers. Those of you still hanging on to your GXP drives might want to consider a preemptive upgrade to a D740X. (Damage eyes the Damagebox warily.) There's no better excuse to upgrade than this one. BipolarBill 06-22-2002, 08:20 AM I cannot recommend any IBM GXP drive - especially the 75GXP series. Other than those, IBMs are as reliable as any. grimfandango 06-22-2002, 07:03 PM My IBm still works. I will recommend it to every one. They are real nice if you know how to use them :p BipolarBill 06-22-2002, 07:27 PM Oh yeah? How do you use them, Grimmy? :p shaggy 06-22-2002, 08:00 PM My 15Gig Ibm lasted about 2 years then it just kept on getting more and more bad sectors. I've just sent it back. grimfandango 06-22-2002, 08:10 PM well now lets see I got 13-14 gb with junk! No BipolarBill Its realy a very good hdd. I have been usin them for such a long time no problems. I keep moveing them here and there,take it to me friends place and all and still it works fine. The best part is I have got 0 bad sectors!! (yea 0 bad sectors not bad for an 4 year old hdd , I love this hard disk) Its an original ibm hdd. Not an oem. :eek: (maybe I move it around too much thats why it still works;) ..) :p RamonGTP 06-22-2002, 08:16 PM I have 2 IBM drives in my main computer... A 20 gig, and a 60 gig, both are 7200 RPM drives... I haven't had any problems with either, and i've had the 20gig one for about 2 years now. I've never really had badluck with any drives for that matter, but the IBM ones are by far the quietiest drives out of all the ones i've worked with (Maxtor, WD, Quantum, and a few others) -Ramon Grentarc 06-24-2002, 08:21 AM My 40GB 120GXP IBM is colder than any other drive, faster than my RAID 0 array, and i think the best drive arround... I totally recomend IBM drives.. ( i have had many friends who own IBMs from the 75 series up to 120, and we are all happy with our drives)... I loath Western Digital.. I have instaled over 20 of the Caviar drives, and all but one has been sent back under warranty, which I replaced with Seagate drives. I do not recommend Western Digital drives BipolarBill 06-24-2002, 11:55 AM That's funny...nearly all of the drives I've installed are WD Caviar. Not one of them have failed. The two that have were an IBM 75GXP and a Quantum Bigfoot. I've never lost a Seagate, Maxtor or WD. Grentarc 06-25-2002, 07:29 AM I have lost 1 seagate.. but it was a 40Mb drive, that was Double Spaced, and on our old 486DX4100.. it was an old drive when that was fast!!!!! bassman 07-09-2002, 07:04 PM IBM HDs are very fast, silent and they're getting cheaper...due to all the complaints, it is getting harder to trust the **** product...mine went berzerk...I'm still deciding wheter to buy another IBM, 'cause I love their performance, or buy another brand...I rate it 6 (cause mine failed me, otherwise, I'd rate it 8 on the IDE scale) Jawa 07-14-2002, 05:05 PM Sorry to get off topic, but I just have to. :D I have a 1.2GB Seagate in this machine.. have had it since 1995 with the Packard Bell. Zero bad sectors, no failures at all. It has been in use since '95. :p Jawa :r $1500-P4 gamer 07-16-2002, 07:09 PM Originally posted by grimfandango well now lets see I got 13-14 gb with junk! No BipolarBill Its realy a very good hdd. I have been usin them for such a long time no problems. I keep moveing them here and there,take it to me friends place and all and still it works fine. The best part is I have got 0 bad sectors!! (yea 0 bad sectors not bad for an 4 year old hdd , I love this hard disk) Its an original ibm hdd. Not an oem. :eek: (maybe I move it around too much thats why it still works;) ..) :p Correct me if I'm wrong here but you are talking about a older slower drive here. BP is talking about 5400rpm and 7200rpm drives. the faster 7200rpms have alot more stress. The IBM's that are failing left and right are the newer faster ones. So your older slower on has no relation to these newer ones. It wasnt even made the same, its not as fast, and the heat/stress is alot less so yeah it will last. Besides that bad IBM's are the GXP drives is your a GXP? I'm not blowing flames here just trying to keep the discusion on the right track as what you are comparing to is totally irrelivant. I will say I'm a true Maxtor fan. Though I had the 30gig maxtor 5400 rpm drive die on me this year! They were all bad cause I went back for exchange and non were left on shelf. Went right from 20gig to 40gig. So they gave me the 40gig 7200 rpm ata/133 to replace the 5400rpm ata/100 30giger. Now thats a exchange. Maxtor does have peace of mind, knowing that they will take back a bad product without question up to 3 years after purchase and replace it with a = or greater capacity and speed drive. Its in the garuntee if you read it. Thats why I love maxtor drives-they have yet to let me down even when one did go-bad sector-bad sector and more bad sectors. One phone call and I was back in buisness. Now thas a co. that gained my respect and trust. Plus it was only one failure since I first started useing maxtor's in '96. Thats a pretty clean 7 year record in my experience. But dont get me wrong ALL co.'s can have a bad batch (like 30gig 5400rpm ata/100 maxtors) or just a flawed drive from production. With pc's its a gamble even with a good co. backing up the product.:( ;) :t Grentarc 07-16-2002, 10:31 PM out of all the IBM drives i know of.. i just had my first one go, a 40GB 60GXP... i still love the IBM drives.. especially the 120GXP series, as they are colder than any other drive,and faster than most other drives. No 120GXP's i know of have died, and this is the first 60GXP i have seen go. IBM also have the 3year warranty and so do seagate. I think most if not all HDD manufacturers have a 3 year warranty, so maxtor arent that special in that sense. $1500-P4 gamer 07-17-2002, 12:36 AM "so maxtor arent that special in that sense." Not saying they are but I've heard of alot of RMA prob.s with other co.s I've had first hand experience at a Maxtor return and it was as painless as can be. I've also heard of SOME co.s sending back the wrong drive or a dif. smaller one. I got a larger one. Some warrentys dont stait that it must be a larger or = drive size and speed. Thats the fine print that gets ya. Maxtor does say that-thats what I was getting at.;) :t Grentarc 07-17-2002, 01:02 AM yeah.. i get what u mean... I had a painless experience with a seagate drive i am owning.. it was crashing alot for a week.. and i got a RMA for it from Seagate themselves, and then it worked perfectly from then on... no problems in the whole 2 years i have had it, and its now part of my raid array (hope it doesnt go now!). The RMA process was easy as on their web site, so i guess seagte have an easy RMA scheme, but i dont know aout their returning goods aspect... jad1097 07-17-2002, 04:28 AM Grentarc, check my links and you will see that at least one 120gxp drive failed. That way you can never say you never heard of one failing again. If it fails do you want to wait six weeks or three days? IBM will make you wait up till six weeks or more, maxtor and WD won't. Rugor 07-17-2002, 05:06 AM IBM has made a lot of very good Hard Drives. Unfortunately the more recent IDE drives aren't of the same quality as earlier ones. They have been failing far too often. I wouldn't buy a new IBM GXP drive. Grentarc 07-17-2002, 07:03 AM I send back to supplier so i dont have to wait that time. Btw.. anyoone seen/smelled a blown up seagate U8 drive?? i just recieved a 13gb one done in by a power spike... killed the motherboard and PSU... Roy Wilkins 07-17-2002, 09:10 AM I owned 2 IBM hdd, both 75GXP series. with ata66 I have no problem,but with ata100 it went bad or its been always bad. Dont rely on their utility FDT, it might show you passed in all the test, but the drive is failing. Im just sending this one back to them for replacement(thank God its still on warranty). I wont recommend this drive & the WD drives. I rather get maxtor. pandaz3 07-17-2002, 01:12 PM I Have a IBM Deskstar, 7200 RPM, it claims to be 41.0 Gig, made in Thailand in June 2001. Been in service abot 16 hours a day since August 2001. I'm happy with it. I have a spare as I bought 2 for a raid array that I was not smart enough to install. I have worked wi WD with good results, but the last one was a 4.0 Gig 5400 RPM and the IBM's were on sale...)-| :) BipolarBill 07-17-2002, 01:33 PM The bad drives were mostly assembled in Hungary, but some were made in Thailand. If it's a 75GXP, it's suspect. These show as DTLA drives in Device Manager. If these drives are kept cool, they can last quite a while. Grentarc 07-18-2002, 12:12 AM thats one of the advantages of the 120GXP's Glass Platters.. mine sits (with heavy use) at around 25°C (without HDD coolers, and strapped to the bottom of my Seagate U10 raid array.. which id very hot!!).. Cool and fast. MickMitani 07-18-2002, 01:07 AM bought 13 IBM oem (Hewlitt Packard label) 15gig 7200rpm drives early 2001 to put in some computers I was building for friends and family. One drive sold to a co-worker showed bad sectors, cleared after low-level format and rewrite of bad sector table. Because they were oem drives IBM would only honor a 90 day warranty from date of manufacture, worthless because HP warehoused them for 14 months. I paid $54 each for the drives at a time when a 20gig 5400rpm Maxtor/WD cost $90+ (though those drives were retail and came with 3 year coverage). Over the 17 years I've owned computers with hard drives, I've only had 2 total drive failures, and we're talking a load of drives ranging from 10meg to 40gig, from MFM and RLL to SCSI and EIDE. Those dead drives were a 280meg Connor, replaced under warranty in 1996 and a 13.3gig Maxtor replaced under warranty in 1998. I've known folks that have the midas touch and kill drives regularly. I used to work with a guy in the Pentagon that thought his minitower PC made a great footrest that he unthinkingly rocked back and forth while he was on the phone. He killed 5 drives in 9 months before I caught him in the act. That was back when a 80meg HD cost $300! For the usage that a HD gets, it is a very reliable piece of moving machinery. Design flaws are killing the GXP IBM high performance drives, but other companies have had their share of lemon drives, now and in the past. The worst PC drives I've ever used were the original Syquest 10meg removable cartridge drives I used in the Air Force (also the most expensive at $2200.00 each, not counting cartridges) when processing classifed data on Zenith Z-150 Tempest computers. The least compatible drive was a Seagate 40meg IDE that was my first 3.5in drive. It would master/slave only with another drive of the same type. The overall noisiest drive was a 80meg Fujitsu, while a 2.1gig Maxtor had the loudest head mechanism. LionSword 07-18-2002, 06:13 PM Have a 60 Gig, no probs. If I were to choose a new one today, I´d go for the same - or a bigger one.... :) I have a Fujitsu and a Seagate. I still prefer the IBM. On the other hand - from what I´ve heard - their harddrives are "the best they do"....:confused: Tanj 07-21-2002, 07:29 PM I have a 75GXP and for the very first time in my life using HD I discovered bad sectors on this one - but thankfully didn't loose any data. I can't believe how many reputable magazines have been consistently giving the GXP series great revues. I thought they where the business until this thread revealed all was not as it seems. Gee, are IBM paying these mags off ro something? So despite having great performance, I can't really recommend the 75GXP. My previous two PC's were equipped with WD and Samsung drives. Never had a single glitch - but then, maybe I got lucky :D i1zombie 07-21-2002, 11:56 PM I purchased a IBM Deskstar 30GB drive in March of 2001 . It died in April of 2001. I was very disapointed. In the 11 years that I have been a computer owner ( and I have had quite a few computers ) this is only the second hard drive that died on me. The first one that died at least worked for over 3years. I believe that I only had a 1 year warrenty on it and it just had to die excatly when the warrenty expired. It will be some time before I buy soemthing with an IBM label on it. Zombie i1zombie 07-21-2002, 11:57 PM correction it died in April of 2002 not 2001 Zombie SysOpt.com
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