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Kurylo
06-18-2002, 07:38 AM
Why do we pay for soft? There is a bunch of free good soft which offer the best functionality _because they were made by hand of programmers which understand what are they doing to_

Nick CPU
06-18-2002, 09:51 AM
Because it comes in cool flashy boxes.

BipolarBill
06-18-2002, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Kurylo
Why do we pay for soft? There is a bunch of free good soft which offer the best functionality _because they were made by hand of programmers which understand what are they doing to_ Because programmers are entitled to food too? :rolleyes:

Nick CPU
06-18-2002, 12:22 PM
You tell em Bill!:r :r

tycoonist
06-18-2002, 11:23 PM
It's a good question. The only reason I pay for programs because I want to fund the hard work that the people put into the project. Plus, the **** on the Internet is filled with virus and trojans, and I love my computer and my sanity too much to put them through that.

BipolarBill
06-18-2002, 11:49 PM
I like to reward good work. I have never questioned paying for Partition Magic or Norton stuff because it works. I still can't believe that I get Ghost for free - I would pay for it!

Kurylo
06-19-2002, 01:29 AM
But you spend YOUR money you could pay for something else.

BipolarBill
06-19-2002, 01:49 AM
Look at it this way, Kurylo...you like an application enough to snatch it up off of some warez site. You love this application and go around the world to find it. You don't pay for it. One day, the application doesn't work because the developer never got paid for his creation. He can't afford to patch it now and doesn't ever write another program.

You just punished that developer for a job well done!

If you can use it and keep it, you should pay for it - period.

tycoonist
06-19-2002, 11:27 PM
Kurylo, I download music but I still buy CDs of my favorite artists. I'm not one of those people that bootleg CDs or download the whole CD off the web. First, the quality isn't that great; second, I still like the music industry, even though they overcharge us for CDs that contain only 12 songs on them.

I find that downloading a huge program is somewhat worse downloading one or two songs off of a CD. I don't know if that sounds correct, but that's the way I think. However, you are free to do whatever you want. If you don't want to pay, fine. Just remember that you get what you pay for.

rh71
06-20-2002, 09:56 AM
I wouldn't always agree with that last sentence. There are plenty of GOOD freeware programs found at Nonags (http://www.nonags.com). It is the motherlode.

Since I'm a poor boy trying to save for a house in NY and a wedding, I must make due with what I can. Freeware it is. There are some GREAT programs (such as Flash, Photoshop, FlashFXP, BPFTP, etc.) that I would gladly pay for... but I'd rather feed myself before I feed a programmer that does what's out there for free already. And I'm a developer myself.

Nick CPU
06-20-2002, 10:07 AM
I think that taking songs of the internet is harmful to the entire music industry. The same goes for software. I know it is fun and easy to get free stuff so I guess there is no option but to continue doing it. However, in the near future there will be tougher laws and restrictions regarding file sharing. These restrictions will make it harder for everyone. Just think about how much we hate Microsofts product activation. The future will be even worse.

$1500-P4 gamer
06-20-2002, 12:16 PM
Being in music partly myself (10 years-guitarist)I can comment on the whole downloading mp3's. First off it doesnt hurt the artists at all. It hurts the greedy slum loards of music record co.'s like Sony entertainment and MCI, Captiol records etc. They own the rights to most music they publish. The return to the original artist is next to nill. They may recieve a whole wopping 5% or so of the sales due to royalties. The musicians make the real money off ticket sales. Why do you think Pearl Jam started selling their own tickets. Because the record co. even gets a big hit of that through Ticket Master. Time for some to go back to the guys that do the hard work. That and they were chargeing higher than what Pearl Jam wanted so it was all a big joke. The only people gripeing about this is the record co.'s cause they are greedy. Well that and Metallica but they are just as bad as the record co.'s. I am totally anti-metallica these days. They are traders to their own people that supported them to get where they are. They sold out and became posers just like they were against in the begining- biggots! Then you get James and Lars going "yeah were sell outs, we sell out every concert" err after that interview they can just stick it.

So most artists agree, download till it hurts cause what it does is free advertiseing makeing the band more popular than before. This leads to Ticket sales which they actually get some money from. Only the dumb ones that listen to their greedy managers believe this actually hurts them. Oh and how do I know all this, well my dad was a band manager for over 4 years. I know how it works right to the recording studio. Its a real dirty buisness. My dads still out 2 grand because the recording studio ripped them off on the tapeing fees. It gets worse but I aint going there.:mad:

Kurylo
06-20-2002, 05:37 PM
Interesting thoughts here...
The conversation continues?

One question added:
What if I have no money, or haven't enough money to pay the programmer or a firm (let's take, umm, Microsoft) but I want use their soft and I'm on need of it?

BipolarBill
06-20-2002, 05:46 PM
That's an ethics question and a trick one. All answers are wrong. ;)