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NDD
06-17-2002, 10:14 PM
Verbatim CD-R 700 MB 32x:
Error rates skyrocket after the first half of the disc at 32x. Lowering the speed to 20x or 16x doesn't help much. Especially prone to this are the Plextor and Benq 40x drives. Lite-On 40x works a bit better with this disc. Average BLER is 26.43 errors/second. High. Good CD-Rs like the Teac 24 have 0.77 errors/sec here. Maximum was a surprising 196 errors/sec: immensely high! The hardware CD-R tester asserted both E22 and E32 (uncorrectable) errors - very bad! Atip (Absolute Time in Pregroove): 97m 34s 22f

Verbatim CD-R 700 MB 40x:
These Mitsubishi Chemicals CD-Rs are supposed to be for high recording speeds. Then Benq-burner, however, accepts only 32x speed, and with high error rates. Plextor and Lite-On 40x burners managed to burn with 40x, but with exorbitant error rates (the Lite-On was a bit better). Average BLER is 59.91 errors/sec, this is too high for reliable data archiving. Maximum BLER is 433.17 errors/second: Way, way above spec... it's not funny anymore! The hardware analyzer detected E22-Errors, at least there were no E32-errors. Still, quality rating can only be 'very poor'. Atip (Absolute Time in Pregroove): 97m 34s 23f

Philips CD-R 80 40x:
It seems that Philips doesn't test their media. In the Benq 40x burner, the error rates were always above spec, same with the Plextor 40x. Data loss is likely. The Lite-On managed to do analyzable runs at 40x and 32x. BLER is 143 errors/sec average, 363.67 errors/sec maximum: A more than poor performance! To make things worse, the analyzer drive detected E22 and E32-errors. This CD-R is basically garbage. Atip (Absolute Time in Pregroove): 97m 15s 17f

Fujifilm CD-R 1-40x:
A CD-R with varying results. The 40x-max Benq burner decided to use 16x speed maximum, but with acceptable error rates. The Lite-On 40x burner wanted to use 32x, and this was a good decision, error rates are bearable. Only the Plextor goes all out and uses full 40x-speed for this CD-R: Bad move. Although the average BLER of 9.92 errors/sec is still okay, the maximum BLER of 103.17 errors/sec is out of question! Furthermore, there were E22 and E32-errors with the Plextor at 40x. Conclusion: This CD-R is unusable at 40x, the speed with the Plextor should be lowered manually by any means. Atip (Absolute Time in Pregroove): 97m 26s 45f

From here (http://www.cd-rw.org/articles/archive/highspeedmediaerrorrates.cfm)

jad1097
06-18-2002, 12:31 AM
Thanks for the info ND

$1500-P4 gamer
06-18-2002, 11:44 AM
Hey thanx ND!:)
I use the Digital Media STI 16x from Circuit City. They pick up quicker when being played and the player doesnt make alot of noise (laser moveing so much). Any info (tech. like you found there) on these cause they seem to be the best I found yet!

Whoosh25
06-18-2002, 11:49 AM
****...I just got a Plextor 40X12X40A !!!

Hoping to burn at 40X with 40x CD-Rs... I quess we will have to wait a bit longer for them to get the dyes right :-(

BipolarBill
06-19-2002, 11:06 AM
Standard Verbatim disks work fine at 32X. ;)

$1500-P4 gamer
06-19-2002, 01:54 PM
Yeah, heck I'm flying with my 24x! (well in my mind anyhow) One question about this media. I have gotten as said above these STI digital media 700mb 16x cdr's from Circuit City. Its their brand and they are real cheap. Had a 200pack for $59.00 with a $30 mail in rebate! At anyrate they pickup real quick when changeing cd's and tracks of songs etc. Two things I noticed about the cd are it complies to RED book spec and WHITE book spec. Also the label says cdrom AND CD player compateable. Most others did not say CD player compateable that I saw. And of course it claims the typical increased reflectivity. SO the quetion is are these two specs. the reason why it works beter in standard players? Plain Data backups like my hdd backups recognize really quick too when inserted in the comp. Autorun is much quicker.:confused:

grimfandango
06-19-2002, 03:49 PM
I use samsung cdr24x media.

They are very good.