Are you going to buy Whistler after this........?

[cyclone2]

quote "The most potentially controversial addition to build 2410, however, is anti-piracy code that Microsoft is calling "Microsoft Product Activation for Windows," according to testers. The technology is similar to the Office Activation Wizard that's part of Office 2000.

The anti-piracy code will tie a Windows product key to one specific PC to reduce casual copying. To "activate," a customer will send data about the installation, such as product ID number and hardware identifier, to a Microsoft-run license *************. The ************* won't allow the use of the customer's product key on a PC different from the one originally activated." So if I reformat my computer then I need a new key, if I trash or upgrade my computer I need a new key etc Yikes! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-4405754-0.html


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[BFlurie]

Linux, here I come. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[daveleau]

Oh man that is total BS. I am constantly upgrading all parts of my system as many of us here are and that would totally screw all of us up! I have had 4 different processors, 6 diff hdds, 3 dif mobos in the past year alone!
Dave

[daveleau]

I agree, Linux is going to be it if that is the case!

[Barney]

I've neither seen or bought an original Windows cd ever.

I always get copies.I guess I won't be using Whistler.

Lets just hope the hackers come up with something good.

Ronald

[otheos]

and with kernel 2.4 out, linux is now in the best ever condition. I've been using linux for the past 3 years as my OS and the "getting used" part only lasted for 3 months. After that, all was simple and easy!

Barney, I have to admit this is a daring statement!

[Ironforge]

I really hope this sort of thing doesn't catch on... it makes it tough for legitimate users as well.. what if I buy win2000 or something similar.. and later upgrade my machine.. might not work because of a hardware key? I think that's sort of lame.. Anti-piracy protection should not infringe on legitimate usage. There will always be cracks to get around these things.. but I would hate to have to use a crack on a legit copy if I got a new computer..

[Mykex]

What am I the one guy whos bought a CD? LOL The question I have is what of people who use PCs and never connect to the net? I have seen such strange and bizzare things in offices. Pcs without even a modem or telephone line anywhere only infreaquent communication with other PCs on a lan.

[Solidus]

wow, they actually still have those type of users? when my cable modem goes down for a few hours, my PC is worthless. No internet radio (way better than local) no games (AI is no fun) and i can't even do homework, because 75% of it is online research!

[krusty the klown]

Microsoft bus company 8.12.27.rev.e

You wait ages for the one you want, then 4 of the same number come along at the same time. Only the one you use is incompatable with BusPass 2000, as you renewed your original BusPass 2000 after you lost your wallet. After using the beta utility DistractDriver 0.9, which you downloaded from some w@r3z site, you find that your progress is hindered by Bus98SE in front. Bus98SE had been upgraded to LowEmissionEngine2001 which was incompatable with Gearbox3 and had to travel in reverse.

Frustrated by this, you decide to use the utility SodThisI'llUseMyCar2.0 http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[Techie Dude]

Dang! We already call them Microshaft, so do you think this is they`re final step before they officially change their name to that?

Shafting since 3.1!

TD.

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[Wilan Wong]

I'll say either go to Linux, or keep your existing OS..

[Warthog]

Lets just hope the hackers come up with something good.

Amen. That's when I'll get it.

I would be putting Whistler on my dad's comp also. Also the tweeking stuff the rest of you were talking about = no good.

Warthog

[jad1097]

You can bet there will be a crack for it before it is released.

If I am forced to call MS every time I have to reinstall then I will be going back to Linux and/or BEOS.

What really worries me more than this are the rumors that Whistler calls home!

[cyclone2]

Yep you will have to call Microsoft every time you do this <IMG SRC="http://www.geocities.com/f1finishline/cberanim6.gif" border=0>

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[camaro]

So if I build 2 pcs at once I need to buy Whistler twice?

[daveleau]

Yes, you build 2 PCs you have to have 2 licenses (ie you have to buy two copies or get a license aggreement witht he software company). That has always been the case. They are just trying to enforce it.

It will never work as anything worth cracking will be cracked and eventually posted for all on the web...

Dave

[jad1097]

http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

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[Warthog]

They are so greedy....

[AuraEdge]

Office activation?
huh?
Thats in Office2000? I've reformatted 3 times I think since I got Office2k, and its worked every time.

[Techie Dude]

In all honestly, they say they are enforcing this sh*t, but for the crackers and honest users, it`s just a pain in the ***! I don`t plan on buying Whistler anyway, but, if it is actually any good, It "MIGHT" be worth the invrestment.

This still leads to:

Honest users will use cracks to hack their existing version of Whistler. Meaning that they don`t have to go throught that Anti-Piracy SH*T every time they re-install.

Those that just download it off a warez site, will just download a crack for it so they can use it.

Unfortunatly for MS, they think they have the best programmers, but they are wrong!


Definition of MS: Shafted once, shafted forever!

Solution: Linux! Nuff said!


TD.

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[NDC]

Enough said! I just won't upgrade! Call MS for a serial number! What kind of BS is that? And besides, Win2K has been keeping me quite happy. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[Barney]

...but for the crackers and honest users, it`s just a pain in the ***!

Well, that's what hackers/crackers do.

Solution: Linux! Nuff said!

Oh yeah? How are you gonna play all your games?

I don't like Microsucks either,but I don't think I have much of a choice.But on the other hand, I can't really complain about a free product like Windows. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

Ronald

[Ollie46]

I'm a linux user myself, even though I am typing this on Win2k box, but just think of all the extra personnel Microsoft is going to have to add just to handle the Whistler unlock call load. They are going to run them selves in to the ground.

Ollie

[bhess]

I would think that they would concentrate on the overseas piracy. I heard that most software in asia is pirated. I guess that there is no way for microsoft to enforce it.
Think on the $$$ lost over there.

[RobRich]

Well, if this turns out to be true with the final release of Win2001, Microsoft just lost another customer! I'm looking more at the several violations of privacy rather than piracy or cracking.

Looks like I'll be migrating all of my personal systems to QNX and BeOS over the upcoming months.

Robert Richmond

[NDC]

Are there any OS's other than Windows that will run Windows applications? That's the only thing that's really keeping back from using another OS.

[RobRich]

If you can obtain the 16-bit versions of the Windows applications you need, then you may luck out with Linux. Several people claim to have been able to install Win3.1 under DOSEMU. Another popular emulator is Wine, however the actual emulation project is dead. It will run several popular 16-bit apps, and supposedly a few older games.

http://www.dosemu.org

What applications do you need? Similar programs may already exist for these alternative OS's. Also, many larger software vendors are now porting their applications for Linux (or offer compilable source code for Unix, which often works with Linux).

[NDC]

Does BeOS run Windows 32bit applications? Applications that I primarily need to run are graphic applications such as Photoshop, Illustrator, QuarkXpress, GoLive, etc. Primarily graphic applications...

[Savant]

seems like ms is gonna kill themselves with this one, don't see why anyone would buy something like that. oh well, makes linux an even more obvious choice. as to games, if linux becomes more popular than windoze the software companys will write games for linux instead, they'll have to.

[jad1097]

www.bebits.com (http://www.bebits.com)
www.be.com (http://www.be.com)

[RobRich]

I believe most of Adobe's software is available for Linux. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I don't work much with graphics.

On the BeOS side of things, GIMP is an excellent graphics toolkit when implemented with the additional plugins and filters. Best part is you have the source code for personal customization, and it readily compiles with Be's provided C++ compiler.

http://www.gimp.org

[Savant]

Gimp is also included with every distro of linux I've ever seen...

[NDC]

Yeah, if Microsoft is gonna play there games like that, where I have to call them and wait around to get the serial number to install my paid copy of Windows, I really hope that Linux does get full support from Software companies. Without a doubt, I will definetly migrate my systems to Linux!


Not interested in using GIMP...... I've used it on my Linux Box but wasn't very comfortable using it. As for Photoshop and all the other Adobe products, they're all the same regardless of platform (MAC or PC), and the tool boxes look and feel the same way most of the Adobe Prodocts such as Photoshop, Illustrator, PageMaker, etc do which makes using it very comfortable, I'm very familiar with the GUI. I can practically use it with my eyes closed. I just don't want to start learning a whole new different GUI souly for the purpose of a single new image editing application....



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[NDC]

RobRich


Well, I just did some research on Adobe products for Linux and the only thing they have so far seems to be Framemaker and Adobe Acrobat Distiller. No news on graphic applications. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif Well perhaps they will make plans for the future to do so... I hope!


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