MS Backs Off Hardware and Software Must Be Kept Together

[Strawbs]

so it's no longer a legal requirement, Just "Beneficial", I'd say that was a climbdown, maybe they've been taking too much flak over this issue, and it caused more uproar than they expected. They must be aware that their original statement was in the least misleading, if not downright illegal.

[$1500-P4 gamer]

This so juvinial. They are saying the machine gets the license rights, in what planet. If I buy a machine prebuilt(NEVER) and it comes with XP or whatever, its mine not the machines! If I so choose to keep the windows disk and wipeout the install on the machine thats my choice and right! I dont know what they are trying to pull but its bull! You cant give a inanimate object rights! The next thing you know BIlly will be sicking the PC abuse squad on you for smcking the side of a WINDOWS MACHINE case. Get real. How long will it take for the courts to see how stupid this is. I know, when someone like me says the same thing to a judge when being sued over this stupid license M$ made up.:p

[ukulele]

You gotta love'em. They must have taken lessons on double speak from Bill Clinton.

[Rugor]

Nahhhhhhh, they went back to the beginning, George Orwell.

[Jimstep]

Microsoft needs to go back to the drawing board. Sell the software. Forget about the hardware. When I buy the opsys in the store, what hardware does it belong to? The one I install it on. There is no question. That is a fact. If I decide to upgrade the opsys to a newer version and I donate the computer, the upgrade will go with the pc, if I so choose.

I'm sure we can twist this any way we allow the lawyers to.

[Valley of Forge]

Yeah you know the operating system unlike an old auto NEVER GETS OLD. That is a NEW windows 98 or NEW Windows 95 will RUN on these new 'high powered setups.
Of course configuring it all would be a little more tediuos.But there isn't a speck of rust on any of them. Take for example,I picked up a rare 386 AMD with a 3.1 op sys installed from a second hand shop (among the spent clothing). And the board doesn't have a spec of unpolished embelishment on it whatsoever.
If you wanted to,and I won't ask why ,or why not,because the op sys costs exactly the same as it did originally - you could purchase a spanking new SE and put it on the higher performing machines. No love lost here of course cause you might want to TAKE XP anyway,but the operating system works like brand new,each time,every time.
I for one believed that Microsoft should offer a series of operating systems more tailored to a difference of computer style(s). Say XP Freelance version for example.
But a,don't ask Microsoft about something they don't already don't know. You might get an answer.
:D :rolleyes: :cool: :)

[White Birch]

How will all this play with the SSSCA? Guys...the home built computer business is in big trouble between Willy and Fritz Foghorn Hollingsworthless.

[tking]

Originally posted by $1500-P4 gamer
You cant give an inanimate object rights! .:p

Ha! That's excellent!

If only windows had rights under the constitution, America will have finally reached it's goal of true equality!:D :D

I can see the presidential vote in 2010: Bill Gates was voted in today by an overwhelming majority. Since only 40% of the humans voted and every copy of Windows in the US voted for Bill, he has become the single most popular president in history with 95% of the popular vote!

All hail Bill!

Maybe I shouldn't be writing this:confused: if those M$ lawyers can write what they did about educational OS's, this might give them a new angle :eek:

T

[x51out]

This is roughly the same thing the Movie and Film Industries have been trying to pull (remember the Metallica lawsuit?): Yes, you bought the CD or DVD, but you DO NOT "own" it, at least not enough of it to be able to make a copy of it. If you buy a computer off-shelf, it may come with a System Recovery and/or System Restore CD (w/Windows), in that case YES it would be advisable to pass that on to the new owner. If it came with a real Windows CD, that CD is yours... PERIOD! End of discussion. I can almost understand that M$ doesn't want that Windows CD installed of multiple systems, heck, if I were a greedy, rich-guy that worked my **** off for a long time building an "empire", I might also be inclined to protect my licenses. But in regards to the OEM machines, I'd say: Get yer grabby little hands out of my pocket already, Bill!!:cool:

[rraehal]

I see a lot of trends emerging in the marketplace. For example Linux is being distributed for free with cool bundled software. (Also for free in most cases.) You only need a good i-net connection to get the 650MB iso images. To make the software market a little more open, a company is writing an OS that will run Linux and Windows software. The judge already said the OS is okay to sell. Soon M$ will find themselves in a bind. No one will want to purchase their OS in lite of the other vendors. I like the FSF. I am moving totally to Linux and emulation software for the things that are designed for Windows. :D

[White Birch]

rraehal


What is FSF? Do you have some urls to the places to get the "650mb iso images?"

Do you have a little more detail on this particular subject? Your post may be the gentle push in the penguin's direction that I have been waiting for.

Thanks,


mikey

[doggabone]

Bearing in mind that this just an educated guess as to rraehal's use of the acronym - FSF is the Free Software Foundation.

One quick place to find a lot (all of the ones I have heard of) the Linux iso's is http://www.linuxiso.org/ .


And before you try to figure out how to install M$ Office onto your spanking new *nix box, (and I think I have heard of 2 products out now which will enable that), look at http://www.openoffice.org (http://www.openoffice.org/)- personally, I find it a much more productive environment :D.

[wallie_x]

If anyone remembers, part of M$ plan to remediate the lawsuits from anti-trust violations was to donate numerous new computers to different school systems. Apple Computer's Steve Jobs protested loudly. Academia is one of the last few strongholds for Apple computers. How self-serving can you get by offering remediation that would eventually increase your sales. By getting students used to using IBM clones with M$ OS's on them, it would increase the likelihood of that person buying a Windows based computer. What would have been truely punitive would be to force M$ to buy Apple computers and place them in the schools. :cool:

[$1500-P4 gamer]

"Yeah you know the operating system unlike an old auto NEVER GETS OLD. That is a NEW windows 98 or NEW Windows 95 will RUN on these new 'high powered setups.
Of course configuring it all would be a little more tediuos.But there isn't a speck of rust on any of them. "

Uh, tell two of my PC's that! This P4 wont run 98 for **** and neither will me new Duron 1gig sys! Both have prob.s with ejecting the cd after a boot. It will BSOD and say ejected cd while in use but it wasnt being used. Then if I change get by that and get to change cd's after a boot they will not see the cd has changed just say that there is no disk untill I, you got it reboot again. Some boots there is not even access to the cdrom to start with. Next prob. is how crappy DUN is on 95/98 and 98se. On dial up its a killer pain in the neck. Then there is the ocasional explorer rerrors that also cause a reboot as it kills the explorer altogether on me. Now this is two totally dif. systems,cdroms, mobo's, cpu's, ram types etc. The only way to figure is that '98 was never aimed to go that fast. Others at sysopt had pointed me in that direction. On went Win ME and guess what not a single one of those probs. that were in 98. I had all patches on both systems for the '98 install and installed several times to no avail. Fresh format after each try, no dual boot or anything that would have caused this prob. So its to my conclusion that the windows releases do get old and cant keep up wioth the new hardware. Its just a mattter of time. Look at '95 and thats 7 years old. '95 is such a pain cause its so old, todays OS's make 95 look like the junk it always was.When '98 is 7 years old you think in 2005 with 6-7gig cpu's on avg. that it will keep up when it has prob.s already at and above 1gig.

Then there is the mem limitaions of each OS version. That mem barrier is being broken every year. This mobo runs 2gig of mem. In '98 that was unthinkable for a home user. You need the right OS to use that 2gig of mem though. 98 is riddled with mem controling problems.

Not flameing you by all means I just thought I would let you know the prob.s I've had with outdated OS's. Yes they could be probably fixed. But Gates wants you to buy the new OS. And he has it fixed that way with the locked source code. Thats what it really is about, you forking out the $200 for Win XP or the next greatest:rolleyes: release. Keep'em comeing to the store when you limit the abilitys of the OS so as to force a new upgrade or what not. This is essentially binding the software to the hardware.

Now after all that said and what has been said before by others. How he steals software, litterally and then acts all paronoid himself with this new activation feature (he dont like the tables turned on him) you know why he has so many body gaurds and doesnt walk down dark allys. With politicians and such targets I'm sure hes considerd one too. There are some really nutty people out there that go off the deep end and go killing. We have seen it many times. In that way I wouldnt want to be him, he has to think about that sometimes. Thats one heavy burden to carry but then yet he doesnt quit acting like a jerk, no he takes it to even higher levels. Then one day the owner of some buisness he shut down or sued goes off the deep end and the rest is history.

You know that whole deal with him ripping off software, which we already knew, its not his first time, really proves something true. Years ago my Mother told me, when a wife/girlfreind is over protective of you and acuses you of cheating and such over and over again. They are the one that is cheating!

I guess Gates is alot like a cheating ( no offense to the good ones) women, kinda funny isnt it!:D Peace!

[Valley of Forge]

You've got 900+ replies here.Considering that I have "at least" that many cranks with Microsoft Products. (Not the say each one was an enevitable success) . I just have to say I 'hate being wrong. I get really discusted when I am wrong. Never take the effectual to be exactly correct.
You know, and since your using 'some Windows products, and here: you might agree with me. These products needs more visual aids. The new machines can power the video,sound,everything pretty much without breaking a sweat. And they are going to do nothing but get quicker. The interface is 'ok.It keeps the novice from running amuk with the keyboard in typo errors and such, but there will be, and this is also enevitable,some pretty astounding new inovations that go way beyond the GUI.
Here,while I'm still weeding through the how tos' of individual apps,and havent' touched any programming - I can see that a LOT of igenuity hasn't been tapped. And this has nothing at all to do with 'any Microsoft Products.(Believe it).
Now here,again, in the Sysop forum, I have to have 150 replies to put a picture up.Here is reply #7 (I'm giving 6 a 13th floor).
Hey heard of or seen anything of GAMES on DVD ?....Whats that
a 2GB DVD PC game ? As if there wasn't enough filler for some of these engines. (not including the person using them).
Have a soda on me...(least of equivalent neccesities in life)..
:)

[Strat]

M$ STOP MOANING ABOUT PEOPLE CHANGING OS'S ON PRE-BUILT SYSTEMS THIS LOSES YOU BUGGER ALL $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$



SORT OUT THE PIRACY IF YOU ARE SO GOD **** BORED AND CAN'T FIND ANYTHING BETTER TO ***** ABOUT, COS THAT SURE DOES COST YOU $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$