Windows 98 2nd version

[Decklord]

I have windows 95. And, for a reason, he's stable (WOW!!!). Should I change for Windows 98 second version???

Decklord

[KillerBug]

Lets see...NO! DO not upgrade windows untill they fix the bugs instead of just making more and more in every release.

[BBA]

I loaded the full version of Win98SE on mine, well... I love it!

I don't think Windows has ever been better, but maybe thats just me because other people seem to have problems with it that I don't.

BBA

[Davo]

I agree I am running 98/2 and it is great
On a celery 300a @374mh and it is a winner

[geekd]

BBA & Davo -- did you upgrade to it, and from what, or was it a clean install of win98SE?

-geekd

P.S. how well does the modem sharing thing work, and can it be done with a cable modem?

[Sharpstick]

I installed win98SE update and my network hasn't worked since !!!!!!!!so i thought i would put it on both my pc and it still has no network connection, not much impressed. I am getting ready to build a new machine and its going to have win98 first edition, the only reason I installed the update was for the Internet connection sharring and that doesn't work http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif

[BBA]

How are yall setting up your networks?

I put Win98SE on 2 PC's here, one is my LanCity 2 way cable modem server. I still run Sygate on it as Internet Sharing requires client setup disks (I like everything to work by itself!)

I've had absolutely no problems on my server or any of the clients.

I did not install SE for it's internet sharing capabilities, as I don't even like the way it sets up, but more for the performance.

I used to download all the current patches to Win98 and that has an effect of eventually slowing down the whole sys since this process creates fragmented registry file structures, and the SE has it all built in clean. Thats one improvement!

My hard drive performance really went up. I
think SE has much better UDMA support, now my IDE drive actually outperforms my SCSI drive.

I bet you don't have the same settings you had on Win98 before you loaded Win98SE, because if you did, all would work as it did before. Internet Sharing is not a good reason to install SE, everything else is!

BBA

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[Sharpstick]

I run 2 NIC and a crossover cable, I never had a problem and was running a proxy server for my internet connection for the other pc. Then i thought great ICS in win 98 SE, did not change a thing, all my protocals are the same and so are my settings. the only thing that i find about this problem is this article http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q130/0/77.asp

maybe BBA could shed some light on this for us and tell me what your settings are for your network on your pc's. and yes it did speed up my hard drive , i went from 110 FPS in Quake timedemo to 111 http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

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[BBA]

Ok, I have 2 nic's in the server. One goes to the cable modem, the other to my hub.

The one from the cable uses DHCP from my ISP.

The one to my hub uses a static IP.

I run Sygate 2.0 on the server. It's DHCP function is enabled. The PC's connected to the hub all are set to DHCP. I do not configure anything on them, Sygate handles all!

None of my PC's know they are on a proxy server, as far as there concerned, there on the internet with default DHCP settings.

I like Sygate 2.0 (not 3.0, it sucks!) because it is a totally transparent proxy server. I have an unlimited license.

E-mail me for more details.

BBA

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[Sharpstick]

Thank you BBA,but I am totally lost here. my network components are: Client for Microsoft Networks 2 Dial-Up Adapter 3 PCI 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter 4 TCP/IP->Dial-Up Adapter 5 TCP/IP->PCI 10/100M Fast Ethernet Adapter 6 File and printer sharing for Microsoft Network....and the other pc is the same, i really don't want to uninstall Win98SE because it does have some great features and it runs awesome, any help is appreciated ... thanks again
did u look at that article from Microsoft i posted, see if it that would work ?

[KillerBug]

10mb NIC to my cable modem, 100mb to my second Quake 2 machine (I play friends in my house), and a 10mb plug I hook up to my Laptop. Crossover cable to Laptop, crossover to Game Machine. The game machine one is a 5ft crossover cable and an extension, as it is in a second room. My laptop sits right on the desk.

[BBA]

Ok Sharpstick,

If you have 2 PC's running, all you need is this:

PC number 1.

Client for MicroSoft Networks
NIC/Ethernet Adapter to modem
Nic/Ethernet Adapter to LAN/other PC
TCP/IP bound to modem NIC
TCP/IP bound to LAN/PC nic
File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft networks


Thats it, set the NIC for the modem to obtain an IP address with DHCP, set the second with say IP of 155.155.155.20, Subnet of say 255.255.255.0, disable DNS and WINS, no gateway needed, Netbios over TCP/IP bindings of Client and File/Print sharing.

Load Sygate 2.0 and set defaults, make sure the NIC to the LAN/Client PC is selected to the right adapter.

PC Number 2:

Client for MS netwks
Ethernet adapter
TCP/IP
File/Print Sharing

Leave the TCP/IP properties to obtain IP automatically.

Your done, that's all that's needed.

Basically same setup Killer needs also, just use a hub from the first PC to the others (Game PC and Laptop)

BBA

[KillerBug]

Ya, I have a cable modem, that is the thing I am most scared of, that and I have set up a LAN in my house, and everyone says that LANs do not work with it.

[jmatrix]

I am also running a home network with a similar setup to BBA...2-way Lancity cable modem from Mediaone, two nic cards in my server computer, and one nic in each client computer. The setup is as simple as BBA says...once you install the nic cards, you are up and running with Sygate within 10 minutes. I'm running Sygate 3.0 and it runs flawlessly! Once you setup the server, Sygate automatically sets up each client. If you're only using two computers in the network, you don't even need a hub...just use a crossover cable. There is absolutely no need for the internet sharing capabilities of Win 98SE. I now have three computers each sharing one cable modem (at $39.95 each per month I was able to cancell two of the cable modems and save $80.00 per month in fees) plus all the benefits of file and printer sharing. The best part is that I have not noticed any degradation in bandwith with all three on the net at once! If I were doing a clean install of Win98, I would use the SE version to eliminate the need for all the **** critical updates, etc....but I would not install and/or use SE's modem sharing programs.
Good Luck,
Paul

[BBA]

jmatrix, have you noticed any limitations in Sygate 3 and did you upgrade the version 2 or install ver 3 from the start?

The only limitation I have is I cant DCC anyone in Mirc.

BBA

[jmatrix]

BBA,
I haven't noticed any limitations with Sygate, but then again, I am not a big Mirc user. However, my son is. I haven't heard any complaints from him. When he gets home later today I'll ask him your question. Also, I did not upgrade from Ver. 2.0...I downloaded the trial version of 3.0 and then purchased the license within 15 minutes of seeing how great it worked.
Paul

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[Joel Kleppinger]

BBA, I know you hate the client stuff that goes with some proxies today, but if you really want a transparent internet connection (to the client computers), the client installations are the only way to go.

I use Wingate 3, and before that, Wingate 2. When I upgraded to version 3, I saw I could install a client, but I wondered why I would want to so I just went on with the server and clients set up for a normal proxy. Sometime later, I began having problems with Wingate, and I decided to try the client on the machine and turn off proxy use on the offending app (I think it was ICQ). Once done, I attempted to connect, and it worked perfectly. I started changing all my apps over from using their built in proxy settings.

This has several advantages: I've found programs (especially ICQ) connect faster through the client. There are also a lot of programs that weren't built with proxies in mind and had to be previously ignored for Net usage. No need to muck around on Quake 3 for proxy settings, either. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

It really is nice and definitely worth a shot just to try. And if you do have problems with anything through the client (occassionally, my web browser does) and don't want to reboot your server/client machine, just set the client back to go through the proxy as before and keep going on. Pretty sweet, at least in my usage. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

<Wow, that was just going to be a comment, but started turning into a paper http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif>

Oh, and I can DCC people in mIRC through my proxy w/ the client set up. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

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[BBA]

I think you are referring to a different software, I use Sygate, which is much better than Wingate!

I don't set any proxy settings on the clients, I don't need to, the SYGATE is a DHCP ISP of sorts!

Even games and gamespy work thru it, no proxy settings needed at all!

And talk about fast connections, I usaully load most web pages in under 2 seconds, and my game pings are usually around 15-30.

I have no delay at all. I tried Internet sharing, could only use it between W98 PC's and configuration was "luck"

BBA

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[Datura]

Hey BBA, make sure that in yr mirc, under the Local Info box, the local host is check.:>

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[Joel Kleppinger]

I am referring to different software (I thought I was pretty clear there). I just figured you might like some words of experience from the other side of the tracks. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

Thanks for highlighting some of the differences. I wasn't aware of its particular DHCP usage.

Game pings at 15-30? You must not be using a good old dialup connection. I rarely get better than a 26.4 connection from my apt. and I typically get 200-300ms pings to a decent/good server.

Anyway, good to hear from another user that loves Sygate. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif Take care.

[BBA]

Right Joel, it's a 2 way cable modem.
Thanks for the input on Wingate though!


BBA